Moving my suggestion to the top of post so it is read first, I am suggesting that we (GP 2+2 playerbase) take action and organize a sitewide sitout on a specified and agreed upon date, until changes are made and or discussed with the players that are paying the highest amount of the rake on the site (regs). Yes we may be a small percentage of the site but the truth is the site isn't growing as is, so I believe all of us taking action WILL effect their revenue enough to take us serious. Its irrelevant if you make money on the site as is( I do, its not hard to bum hunt especially at the micros) the point is that there is no reason they couldn't be appealing to the masses and at the same time offering a more appealing site to the regs. Can't believe its came to this

Hello fellow GP players, I come to you with an unfortunate predicament, as many of you know , there is a high percentage of us who are extremely upset with the current state of GP. Without getting to into detail some of the following changes and or current regulations on the site that are bringing me to make this post are the following, but not limited to:

Rake ( compared to other USA friendly sites the rake on GP is as high as it gets)

Unreported changes ( the list for this would be too long for me to write off the top of my head, changes including changing of s&g structure, removal of features in cash games, changing rake %, all without notifying your player base.) Please comment other unfounded and unrelayed changes they made that I did not list.

Exploitation of your privilege (GP essentially holds a monopoly if you will, being that they are the only site in America and maybe the world that offers Paypal as a cash out and cash in functionality, and in turn they are taking advantage of that privilege, by making as much money as possible through FB advertising etc because they can exploit players who normally wouldn't be playing (THIS DOES NOT ENTITLE YOU TO HAVE HIGH RAKE)

I struggled to read this as I found many grammatical errors within the body of the text.

Please remove this unrelated comment, thanks.

This comment does not appear to be relevant to this thread, we should really try to stay on topic!

Thanks for trolling a serious post :/ hopefully admins see that, thanks

Before I agree to any organized sit out I would like to see a break down of rake percentages from all of the USA facing sites to see if in fact global does actually have the highest rake

Fair enough, let me work on finding an exact # for you, I know there are other threads where it was mentioned, im sure you're already aware that they don't adjust the rake short handed so playing heads up or even 3-4 handed is next to impossible vs anyone who isn't a complete fish.

"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"

I've been sitting out since 12/14 and plan to continue unless some mtt or sng changes take place since those are the games I play. Thank you for making this thread and I hope others that feel the same as I do will participate and stand up for ourselves.

I think it's a good idea to post itt the rake structure as mentioned above, and i also feel same thing applies to sngs/mtts. I will compile what i can come up in that area OP and pm it to you tomorrow. If you like you can add it to the thread for players like myself that don't play cash games, so they can be aware and better able to make an informed decision bla bla bla.

Sounds good , do that, and feel free to post whatever in this thread as im sure there will be quite a few people looking for answers as well.

P.s. man I swear im already starting to see my hourly drop without the hand history in chat, it was such a valuable tool for me to be able to go back and see bet sizing etc when I am multi tabling, its just disgusting that im putting up with how bad they are treating us :/

And maybe its just my internet but the lag has been unbearable the last 2 nights at certain times, just had all 3 tables muck hands

Likely your internet. I haven't any lag issues in months.

Same, I've barely lagged if at all in the past few months. Would be part of a sitout, but as you saw with Stars these sites are going to do what they want. Doesn't matter if we organize a sitout or not.

Maybe my tinfoil hat is on too tight, but were I a high stakes reg (and trust me I am not) I would want to know who GPhighestrakeinUSA plays as on Global. Its obvious this account was created on 2+2 for this purpose and it also seems likely GPhigh is known as someone else on 2+2 but doesn't want to associate that account with this purpose, for whatever reason.

So then, how would one be sure the purpose in organizing a "sit out" isn't a play by a break-even/slightly losing reg to see if he can soften the games for a day or so.

Same things going to happen as did on stars. No one is going to do it and those who do will quickly join in when seeing game quality.

You don't like the rake - don't play on Global.There are literally hundreds and hundreds of poker sites to play on.

That is really good thinking. Kind of "outside of the box"

Demand a seat on the board like the Stars sitout organizers.

Cliffs on my experiences and what I’ve seen happen at GP since I started playing sng’s and occasional mtt’s there 6/17.

MTTS –

Early on the structures were very fast, I don’t recall or have screenshots but I think they were close to the turbo/regular speed sng structures now. People posted about it and the site added levels around July I believe.

Around August/September the mtt payout structure was changed. It was increased to pay around 20% of the field. In the 1r/1a games a min cash pays ~2.3 buyins, so if a player does the add on and rebuy, and mincashes they still lose ~2/3 of a buyin. A reg from the mtt sweat thread posted about it somewhere, then said it changed back but the lobby I’m looking at now for the wknd $500 gtd 1r/1a 6max $3.30 has the figures I posted above, mincash pays $6.90.

The payouts are better in freezeout events and ones with smaller field sizes. The MTT’s IMO are pretty good now overall and relative to other US facing sites, GP lowered the variance by the slowing down of the structure and then slightly increased it by the payout changes.

STTS -

In May, end of June, the sngs were amazing, until 10/13 when GP made the following changes.
- Changed the blind structures, removing some levels making much faster game
- Reducing the time of levels in non turbo games from 10 to 8 mins
- Increasing starting stacks from 1k to 1500
- Removed $3 regular speed 9man games entirely
- Adding hyper turbos raked @ 7%

The current blind structures are close to what I think the MTT structures used to be, and the current MTT structures are what the SNG’s other than hypers were before the changes. Below I will post GP’s game offerings, along with WPN for comparison. I can’t log onto Bovada so maybe somebody else will add that info. I looked at BOL and was going to add it, lobbies seem somewhat all over the place, rake between 9-11% for all formats, 6man payouts ~65/35 but a little off one way or the other in most games it looks like, too much of a mess to compile anything. There was good traffic though fwiw while I was browsing the lobby for the purpose of this post. Merge has to little traffic IMO to be a part of the discussion not to mention they’ve banned winning players among other things.

IMO on GP currently, the hypers actually have more room for play due the smaller blind increases, in spite of the shorter level durations. They are a better game to play for highest hourly rate because of the deceptively high variance nature of the turbo and regular speed games and how much longer the latter 2 take to play, imo. What I would really like to see happen is maybe reduce the rake in hypers to 4-5%, bring back the old blind structures in the other games but keep the shorter time levels as a compromise? Or keep the same structures and drop the turbo rake to 6%, regular games to 8% too since they play so fast. Bring back/add some 9 man non turbo regular speed games at the smaller/medium bi levels. The sng buy in levels have the same problem cash games here used to before 3-6 & 5-10 were added, too large of gaps.

Hypers
Global
500 starting stack,
7% rake
3 min levels
Payouts – 9mans 1st 50%, 2nd 30% , 3rd 20%. 6mans 1st 65% 2nd 35%
10/20, 25/50, 40/80, 60/120, 80/160, 100/200, 125/250, 150/300…

WPN
500 starting stack
4.5-6.5% rake depending on buy in level and # of opponents.
2 min levels
Payouts – 9mans 1st 50%, 2nd 30% , 3rd 20%. 6mans 1st 65% 2nd 35%
10/20, 15/30, 20/40, 25/50 5, 30/60 6, 40/80 8, 50/100 10, 6 0/120 12, 75/150 15,…

Turbo and Regular speed STTS

Global
1500 starting stacks,
5 mins for turbos, 8 min levels for regular speed games
10% rake for both turbos and non turbos
15/30, 30/60, 60/120, 100-200, 150-300, 200-400, 300-600, 450-900..
Payouts – 9mans 1st 50%, 2nd 30% , 3rd 20%. 6mans 1st 65% 2nd 35%

WPN
1500 starting stack,
5 mins for turbos, 10 mins for regular speed games
9% for turbos, 10% rake for regular speed games
10/20, 15/30, 25/50, 50/100, 75/150, 100/200, 100/200 25, 150/300 25, 200/400 25….
Payouts – 9mans 1st 50%, 2nd 30% , 3rd 20%. 6mans 1st 65% 2nd 35%


General info about BOL
Starting stack 1500 regular and turbos, 500 hypers
Rake – between 9-11% for 6-9 man regular speed, turbo and hypers
Level times – hypers 2 mins, turbos 5 mins, regulars 8 min
Blinds for all speeds – 10/20, 15/30, 25/50, 50/100, 75/150, 100/200, 150/300, 200/400, 300/600, 400/800

There are many different ways to analyze those game #’s. A couple easy ones are as follows.
- Time into game where bb is 10% starting stack

Regular speed games
GP – bb = 8% of starting stack @ 17 mins
WPN bb= 10% @ 41 mins

Turbos

GP - bb = 8% of starting stack @ 11 mins
WPN - bb= 10% @ 21 mins
Hypers

GP – bb = 10% starting stack @ 6mins
WPN – bb = 10% starting stack @7 mins

- Time into game/ % of chips in play preflop as blinds.

Regular speed games
GP = 4.4% @ 41 mins
WPN = 1.6% @ 41 mins

Turbos

GP - 4.4% @ 26 mins
WPN – 1.6% @21 mins

Hypers
GP – 6% @ 10 mins (60/120)
10% (100/200)@ 16 mins

WPN – 4% (not incl 10% antes)@ 11 mins (30/60 6)
6% @15 mins(60/120 12)

Some closing thoughts..
WPN and Bovada have a casino and a sportsbook to constantly feed its player pool, people(recreational players) who play other games in the same client that stop by the poker room to recreate. Same with Merge, , BOL, ITOPS and all the other USA facing unreglated sites which GP is, other than GP. GP only has a facebook playerpool, some poker media advertising like this forum and articles on paid for new sites and word of mouth. Once the player pool isn’t winning as much or as often and wonder why and/or if they can/should expect to on GP or anywhere else and starts looking around..

WPN has a flat 27% rakeback program or a rewards program that’s almost exactly the same as pokerstars old supernova elite system, players can choose on sign up iirc and are allowed a 1 time change if they decide to switch, and theres multiple skins for the network. HUDs are allowed there, and they are used on bovada and BOL, there are cardcatchers and hand converters that can be used to scrape the data and import it into existing hud software in real time for live in game use.

The removal of the hand replayer and hh’s from dealer chat and increasingly fewer posts from the mods, the changes to the games detailed above I will be spending my time and $ elsewhere until or if any changes are made to make GP more appealing to me. More and more players are hearing of this site, games are getting harder I feel some recent poker related changes are very player unfriendly. I’m all for the promos, facebook stuff but as OP said, GP has a monopoly on the US “legal” market and is taking advantage I feel and damaging the site, industry, playerbase, poker economy as a whole etc.

Idk if a sitout is the right thing to do, maybe more of a petition? I made my thread about my cashout of roll because posters such as Splaya have said to speak with your $ instead of forum posts, and that if the site isn’t appealing to a player then not to play there. So when it became too unpleasant for me that’s what I did, withdrew and told the site and community why.
GP does have awesome cashier functionality. The recent game changes are not and cannot be offset by a soft player pool (which is getting less soft) and fast easy cashier transactions. Cashier and bad players are useless to me if games are too high variance structure for much long term profit expectations combined with zero rewards program.

I feel the poker industry as a whole, not just GP have been trying to convert poker into a casino style game for years now and they have made the game a lot less profitable and enjoyable for many. I always thought people player poker to compete, and have an expectation of winning if some skill was developed or applied to poker games as opposed to just being happy to play and not caring about or having a positive expected $ outcome. Sports betting and other forms of gambling are better avenues for that, easier, more fun, far larger potential winnings etc. I’m concerned that once the fb/znyga player pool dries up and the true “poker” offerings keep diminishing the game as a whole will kinda just die off. It’s a great game, a historical game; I feel as players we should protect it and ourselves.

End of novel.

I've acquired the BV info I was lacking when I posted earlier today. I will analyze and add it tomorrow, along with cleaning up the formatting of the #'s in my previous post. It was a 4+ page word doc that I copied and pasted here and the formatting got a little messed up in the process.

That rep is already regretting censoring our free speech.

I say we have a change of pace here and focus on the positives of GP for once. 1) They have the BEST 4-color deck option in the industry. Trust me I 've seen good 4-color decks, and Global's is the best, maybe ever.

Bobo Fett or other 2+2 mods please respect and maintain the integrity of this forum and game of poker and delete senseless posts such as this, please and thank you.

2) They gave away a free, no strings attached, chevy chase avatar to lighten the mood for the holidays. How much appreciation did they get for this gesture of good faith?? NONE. No thread, no comments, nothing. All of you complainers are just a bunch of ungrateful grinches.

Bobo please delete this also or move to the christmas promo thread where it belongs. further trolling from the lantern should result in a short term ban.