There's been a mid-stakes MTT reg on global datamining hand histories to PT4 for at least the past ~6 weeks..before I leak any more information is that ok within the TOS on the site?

Emailed support about 4 weeks ago, but he's still saving 100% of hand histories. IMO this is an unfair advantage.

The player in question has openly admitted to using this software in global chat, and on twitch.

What do you guys think?

Definitely against TOS

They banned a bunch of regs a few years back for using software that retrieved HH from their API. It is most definitely against their TOS and they take it very seriously.

I'm curious.... how do you know this? Just him blabbing? Or did he show it?

Dies he sa how is he able to do this?

I am curious if it is only tables he is at or is he opening as many tables as he can and letting some sort of program track the hand?

Regardless both would be against the ToS, where the latter would enable him a great advantage in a relatively short time.

What concerns me is if he able to this and foolish enough to admit, how many others are doing something similar but keep their mouth shut?

I have no clue how Global could catch these kind of cheaters.

Ok, thought I remember seeing that in the threads a while back. At the very least you’d think his account would be suspended until further investigation..? Global support was notified about 4 weeks ago so maybe that isn’t a sufficient time frame.

He mentioned creating a software with one of his tech friends, and was very open about it. “We’re still working out some bugs” was a direct quote. This was on a twitch stream ~3/28 which no longer exists.

Originally had time stamped the explanation..He even offered to let me buy/use the software once it’s finalized.

Seems like his motivation was purely to analyze his own play according to him..hard to say. Honestly he seems like a really nice kid, but I’m pretty sure this isn’t allowed.

Will be back to post some more evidence here in a bit

alright the player in question is operating under the handle "slickric42"



link to his twitch account:

https://www.twitch.tv/0xslickric

random HH: (as of 4/24 he was still actively snap data mining 100% of hands)

https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...f4b5000119ccd8

https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...f4b5000119ccd5

https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...f4b5000119ccd2

https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/64...64ec0001c04077

screenshots in the global chat of him openly admitting to using software:

lol wtf. banned for sure.

What if he was to stream himself playing and then use some sort of OCR-based software to capture the played hands from his broadcast software and then recreate the hand histories from that?

Gonna be hard for global to police stuff like this imo what if someone sets up a second laptop/device that has the hud on that computer and not on the one playing on global?

I think he would have a better case. Would still confidently bet he gets banned.

Banned then he will **** talking about how Global is not fair on his twitch channel is my prediction.

Unfortunately there are likely some out there who are doing this unnoticed and I have no idea how Global can detect them.

Because he violated the sites TOS? Sounds like a whiny cheating bitch to me

you would think so... he's still playing/mining on a regular basis. global was notified over 4 weeks ago, and hasn't done anything

I just went through the actual rules and it does seem that my hypothetical would violate this rule.

1.6. Third Party Software and Playing Tools

h. Any other program provided by a source other than Global Poker that is used to
record or collate a player’s hand data, individual or otherwise.

Hey guys, if anyone still actually cares about this issue I think that I may an idea of what is happening.

Basically, the player referenced in the OP is engaging in behavior that violates the GP TOS, but there are certain aspects of the GP TOS that violate consumer data access or privacy laws in a number of US states.

I am not sure you fully understand how PT4 / HM3 actually works. There is no way for him to use any 3rd party software on a site that prohibits it because stats just don't show up and if you convert and import a hand history to one of those software everybody, but the person who is playing gets a screenname of randomly generated digits and letters and there is no data to be "mined" per se. The only use someone can have from importing similar stuff to trackers is to work on their own game and study their own leaks, so I don't see how this is any ToS violation as this software doesn't provide people with any real-time help, but is just a tool to develop your own game and study your own mistakes in sites that don't support HUD.

Wouldnt any recording software break this rule then?

Did you try searching the internet archive way back machine? Wonder if it archives pages from twitch....

Can you clarify? Is the consumer data stuff part of the actual issue or did you notice that and are mentioning as an aside?


Also, whether it's part of the issue at hand or not, what is global doing that violates those laws? Makes me a little concerned in general. Thx.

It's either an issue of data access or copyright. And again, this is all speculation based on the idea that Global knows that the player in question is violating this section of their TOS but is choosing not to take any action against the player.

1.6. Third Party Software and Playing Tools

h. Any other program provided by a source other than Global Poker that is used to
record or collate a player’s hand data, individual or otherwise.

Yes, exactly correct, and I think that Global realizes that this is unenforceable. So, if a player can create an application that would allow that player to use OCR, or some other technology, in order to recreate hand histories from a recording of a play session then they will not take action against that player.

i dont think so, i mean i record my sessions with OBS, and then mark the hands i want to go over, and then i plug them into gto wizard or other solver and see the recomended lines etc and if im playing correctly or not.

its literally the only way ive figured out how to review HH from global

This is explicitly against the TOS. I've outlined it above in this thread.