It is unfortunate that these sit and gos do not track as they should on sharkscope as one cannot see who all the opponents are in them, and that would help a lot.

This is not a binary situation where its either a superuser (again, why do these in a trackable low buy in game) or not as if its 50/50. The superuser thing here may fill some emotional buttons but it is not common sense, even if some people here think a slow microstakes grind in trackable games is the way to go for some weird reason.

The fact these accounts played games more than $2 is not the limit (pun intended) to the chip dumping as you would suspect. I am assuming it is quick and easy to create accounts and get the free 2 bucks, and it is easy to go into a SnG with 6 people and dump the chips to whoever wins an all in.

You repeat this many many times with group of 6 accounts and have your list of the "winners." At some point you do a higher buy in SnG with you master account (or more likely 2 or 3 master accounts) and some of the winners accounts to dump money quicker. I would not be surprised if the same 2-3 accounts always finished 1/2 (though not always first). Again, one cannot see this on sharkscope which is unfortunate, but someone going to this effort would likely have a couple master accounts to have a better chance of one of them getting funds off. An added bonus (as seen in this thread) is that people will not think SnGs above $2 will have these types of accounts colluding in them, so they will not watch them carefully.

I am assuming sharkscope has not always tracked Global, so perhaps the person doing this thought the games would not be noticed as much as cash games where chip dumping was happening all the time at the small stakes.

Now, is this exactly what happened? No idea. Would be nice if Global gave a bit more details but I can also understand that they may not want to explain all the steps that someone did to try to cheat them out of thousands of dollars.

The free $2 was always going to be a nightmare in some ways. This probably was a more extreme version of it. I would be quite surprised if this was a super user and not surprised if it was someone who just put more thought into exploiting the free money, but got carried away and got caught.

I can attest to the claim about the strange accounts and strange play. In the small stakes hyper-turbos it happens frequently as you described. Sometimes the bot / app / crew or whatever mistakenly sits out all five of it's players and you can just raise your way home against a table of ghosts. But typically it's a chip dump, followed by shoving til it's over. It IS exploitable, though. Thanks for the post. Look forward to hearing more about this.

psssh, more like cheating players caught thanks to the eagle eye of 2+2 poster SitandSpin

1. I doubt it
2. lol silver star; the only worthwhile star is the blue spinning one, I will fight to the death to protect mine!

But more to the point, you didn't accurately describe what was happening in your OP, you didn't even mention the name freesafety7 at all, so I don't understand your victory lap in your most recent post.

He was the only one of the three that had these results in >2.2 games. I noticed that myself and wondered if he was somehow able to dump higher or what.

FWIW, I think most of us can acknowledge who actually found the suspect play on the website. Well done, sir!

lol at the title of this thread

Guys, dont let Anonymous Social Media bring the worst out of you. OP didnt pick the best title name, but he did shed light on an actual problem that has affected people trying to grind micro/low stakes sngo.

Also Global uses the $2 promotion to lure in non regs to the game. We dont want Global to stop doing these types of promotions so we really should encourage more people to speak up about things they see that don't make sense. Doesnt mean they will be right, but the forum should be a place where we can discuss our concerns and learn. Same as you probably wouldnt berate someone in the real world for a random question, dont do it online... it just puts bad energy into world. Have a great weekend!

have played at least 1 game today with 1 of the 3 players given; I don't know if I should report it or not

Excellent post. Every thread here seems to have to devolve into a bunch of teenage girl bull####.

You're exactly right, the end result of this thread was a big positive despite the OP coming on a little heavy. It's amazing that after SO many scandals, poker players still aren't united in trying to smoke them out. Questions are met with way too much scrutiny.

New Thread: "Hey guys - I think something might be happening that has basically happened at every online poker venue in history ever"

Angry Mob: "Loser fish rigtard chemtrails rabble rabble...."

I think the psychology here is that most poster/players are so terrified of more poker venues being taken away, the natural (perhaps subconscious) inclination is to attack the source as some kind of instinctual protection response.

You make a great point. Instead of trying to be right... poker player should be uniting so as the next go-around of online poker gets going, we don't all get screwed again.

And on that note, thanks to those who did the work to figure this one out.

Problem for me is, Global still has no stats - and SharkScope offers nothing on GP cash games.

Does anyone know why?

Nah, the problem is that the vast majority of threads like this go nowhere, other than the OP screaming a lot. Sometimes others jump in saying "we should consider everything" and if you are one of those then I certainly invite you to believe and do deep research anytime someone posts a paranoid theory on the internet. You can start in this forum with the huge thread where some people were claiming every all-in (regardless of cards) was a 50/50 situation.

I think a more accurate representation of the reaction is that nutjobs screaming crazy (which is generally the case in these threads) makes the general participants in the industry look foolish, and often times distracts from genuine issues.

Even this OP created a chaotic post that was a bit of a mess to follow, and many in this thread were screaming that superusers were the only logical explanation, when that was probably the single non-logical explanation to be had, and dealing with people like that usually takes away from logically discovering what is going on.

The free $2 thing was always going to be a mess. You can look at some of the first threads discussing this site in the very beginning and I and others pointed out the need and likely frustration that will be had with the tiny free bankrolls in conjunction with minimal identification requirements to get an account going. The flip side is it obviously brings some people to the tables.

Hopefully some people will learn from threads like this to present their concerns in a calmer, logical and more professional manner, for doing so goes a long way in making the discovery process easier, however I do not anticipate much changing in that regard in the future, because as per the centuries old quote "Common sense is not so common."

attn. sit and spin,,,,im glad you said that, give me a little bit to put everything together.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/142018...posted-public/

this is the link for the very first email sent to Global support. it is dated January 2 9:48 a.m... which is 8:48 pm January 1st in eastern standard time. where I'm from. the original post time for 2+2 was January 2, 1:41am ET. which is nearly 5 hours later. Global poker was well aware of Freesafety7. his name was on the original photo for the thread as I has concerns over his account. hence why his name was on sharkscope photo. Global knew about him and told me there was nothing to worry about with Freesafety7. as the next link will show from the email that I sent.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/142018...posted-public/

this is the response email to the email above from Global Poker Support. dated january 2nd 11:19 am...which is january 1st 10:19 pm eastern standard time. nearly 3 and half hours before i posted thread on 2+2. the email basically says there is nothing to worry about as far as Freesafety7 is concerned. the first email i sent them (Link above this one) clearly shows my concern for the players ave stake and abnormal ROI. i thought ok sure. probably should keep it on the sharkscope screen and send it to them. which is the original photo that you saw. that I took.

goodjob sit and spin, you simply verified what i already knew. and had already told global support. you can claim this one though, i don't care about that. It wasn't until some of you spoke up and sent email to global yourselves that this was brought to life. I'm glad it did regardless of how. for those of you who defended me about the original title, thanks. if i had titled it "i think global poker is rigged", would any of you taken the time to open it? honestly? upon opening the thread and the first couple lines being a hand history would any of you have read it in its entirety? honestly? "John Doe: Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you' ve got their strict attention." - SEVEN.....sit and spin will probably claim that one too....i wish goodluck to everyone. see you at the tables. but probably not since "I'm just a donk, stuck in the micros." yes, that was a reference from what you think it was.

No, it says he's not a bot, but that they will watch him closely.

Yes, but you wouldn't need to give it that silly title either. Something like "I have some serious concerns about these players", or "I'm concerned these players are cheating" would have worked just fine. You don't need to make things up in your thread title to get people's attention - all it does is make your thread less credible, and you end up having the thread derailed from the beginning with discussion of your accusations being false, or at the least having no proof.

Seems like now he hasn't played since the 2nd....

I would argue likely MORE people would have opened it. Click bait really works, but then it also discredits you on 2+2 once people realize it is just that. Click bait.

With that said, you do deserve some credit, well done and please continue to alert Global about problems like this, that is good for everyone.

What discredits you more with 2+2 is starting threads titled "I have proof Global is cheating it's players" and then not only having no such proof what so ever, but not even understanding the situation you're reporting isn't orchestrated by Global at all. Which is why OP got all the flack.

Yep. For sure OP deserved some flack but I think also deserves some credit (whatever that is actually worth, but it seems to be important to OP). Hopefully what happens here is OP learns how to handle situations like this in the future better.

OP needs to understand that you can really undermine fantastic logical arguments and good sound points by just delivering it poorly. Come to think of it... much of the internet needs to understand this point.

speaking as someone with less than a hundred posts, dont listen to someone with less than a hundred posts.

Realistically a large portion of humans will never understand it, which is why the vast majority of threads like this go nowhere. Most likely had nothing of substance, however the few that do have something to look at often times get lost with sloppy, whiny, chaotic claims and support.

I doubt the OP will learn much/change, because this is an area that most people have a fixed skill by the time they are an adult, and the problems tend to get magnified by the emotional geometric progression found in the replies (ie: we should check EVERYTHING, all sites cheat all the time, Super Users Super Users!!).

But this thread DID go somewhere.

And other threads around here seem to be highlighting issues, good and bad.

So, some people can protest every thread created around here that asks questions, but it won't stop people from asking them thankfully.

Disclaimer: I'm a non-paranoid, winning microstakes player who enjoys GlobalPoker and hopes it is successful long term.

Hence the term vast majority. This thread did eventually get somewhere (with effort given all the paranoid crazy that was being hurled in the mix), but this thread is the exception rather than the rule, and this one hardly had the smoothest ride toward resolution due to how the problem was presented.


Sure, but asking what happens if a paypal account is closed or a minor software glitch is a bit different in scope than threads like this accusing super users or the site cheating people.

and the ones that do it in an organized, professional manner will get a better response and a quicker resolution than posting an emotional house of slop. Common sense, but again as has been said...


All the best.

I mean, it's reasonable enough for people to be paranoid and speculative when they think people might be cheating them out of money. I admit to having flashbacks to POTRIPPER when I saw these graphs.

You yourself were speculating that it was a Sharkscope error. Far less scandalous, true, but with just as much evidence afaik.

Now that it seems obvious that it's a chipdump, and nobody outside of Global itself is being cheating from their money, I'm way less interested in having these guys get banned, but I'm still happy this thread exists.