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01-02-2018 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SitandSpin
I lost count, but there is a stretch where he cashed in something like 59 out of 60 straight SnGs. Yeah.
According to Sharkscope he has had an 84, 74, 70, and many more cash streaks. I don't see how he's doing this without collusion or some other form of cheating
01-02-2018 , 04:49 PM
haha oh my god, I was just looking at the last 100 games

It is possible to have a massive ROI at the non-turbos. I could conceive of a 30% ROI in 3$ SnGs where about 75% of your games are non-turbos. I don't know what the ceiling is for a plausible ROI in mega-soft games, I'm far from a mathematician, but it ain't 97.9.
01-02-2018 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SitandSpin
haha oh my god, I was just looking at the last 100 games

It is possible to have a massive ROI at the non-turbos. I could conceive of a 30% ROI in 3$ SnGs where about 75% of your games are non-turbos. I don't know what the ceiling is for a plausible ROI in mega-soft games, I'm far from a mathematician, but it ain't 97.9.
I could probably argue 30% ROI in micro non-turbos is possible. Nothing close to this players results though seem plausible though. i emailed support asking them to look into this player. Will keep you updated although I don't think they can tell me anything on other players.
01-02-2018 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hoggymcdnld
did you not read anything I typed? I emailed them 4 times and twice included the photograph...they told me 4 times they don't have the players in their database. did you see the photo?
I read everything you typed. You said you took a picture and emailed Global; since you didn't say you included the picture, I wanted to make sure you had. I see now rereading your email, you did mention sending the picture in your second email, but in my defense, that second paragraph was a bit of a wall of text, so it was easy to miss. But you might notice I even said "If you haven't already", as I thought you might have. It was just a suggestion; not sure why you're getting so excited about it.

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Originally Posted by hoggymcdnld
its not like I'm making all this **** up and making it seem worse than it is.
I never said you were.

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Originally Posted by hoggymcdnld
did you see the line that says I ve played around 30,000 sit n gos I my career? that wasn't made up either. ive seen it all and I'm telling you ive never seen anything like what happened today...
Yes. I'm not sure how that's relevant.

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Originally Posted by hoggymcdnld
just because its not happening at your stakes or game of choice doesn't mean its ok. and I'm not saying it is or isn't happening at your stakes. but it is mine.
What, specifically, isn't OK? You mentioned something about fake accounts, but you've yet to clarify how you know they were fake accounts.

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Originally Posted by hoggymcdnld
I don't really give a **** about what I should and shouldn't do or say. I just want answers. unless you have some then shut the **** up.
Not sure what you're looking for here. No one but Global is going to have answers, but I gave you a couple of suggestions. No need to freak out because we're not giving you the answers you want to hear.
01-02-2018 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MotownGreek
According to Sharkscope he has had an 84, 74, 70, and many more cash streaks. I don't see how he's doing this without collusion or some other form of cheating
Even with collusion this is impossible. He can either see peoples cards or he made a couple thousand accounts and is dumping the free $2 to himself
01-02-2018 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Fisherprice1
Even with collusion this is impossible. He can either see peoples cards or he made a couple thousand accounts and is dumping the free $2 to himself
This seems to be 100% the case, I just don't see any other way, the odds of this kind of streak happening organically must be astronomical.

That said, didn't the OP say the players will jamming all in preflop first hand? That wouldn't work for producing astronomically ridiculous cashing streaks.

idk wth is going on with that player but definitely Global needs to investigate and immediately freeze the account while it does so. No one cashes 84 sng's in a row organically.
01-02-2018 , 06:09 PM
I like how the OP accidentally uncovered something that's way more interesting than whatever he was going on about.

Unless freesafety is their man on the inside, I guess
01-02-2018 , 06:21 PM
This is crazy! I hope we get some info soon from global about this.
01-02-2018 , 06:42 PM
also might be worth noting that he was breakeven/losing for his first about 350 games (bout tree fitty)

at which point he became the GOAT
01-02-2018 , 06:43 PM
Interesting (though kind of standard in these threads) that nobody thought it possible that it is just an error on sharkscope's end. If you look at the tournaments they all come back as tournament errors / invalid tournament numbers (when clicking the tournament in sharkscope to see who was in them). Who knows, maybe Sharkscope recorded the results based on alphabetical order of user names or some other recording error. Similar reactions have been had before on Stars (even recently when peopel screamed that someone won a million dollars in 3 straight sit and gos) when all it was was a scope error with satellites for instance that recorded the tournament (that the sat went to) guaranteed prize pool instead of the $109 entry fee. The guy won $327 but it was if the world ended to some before common sense paid a visit. Even after that logical explanation some people still thought something was up, because it made them feel better or something.

Something obviously is up here (either with the player or with the tracking sites - I favor the latter), but odds it is a super user grinding in such an obvious manner for a couple bucks a game for months vs for instance crushing higher buy in cash games (for similar profits in a day) seems a bit silly.

OP is obviously LOlwhatevercrazy in general, but definitely something here worthy of explanation, although typically the explanations end up disappointing the people who want to believe it is something more than it is.

Last edited by Monteroy; 01-02-2018 at 06:49 PM.
01-02-2018 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Interesting (though kind of standard in these threads) that nobody thought it possible that it is just an error on sharkscope's end. If you look at the tournaments they all come back as tournament errors / invalid tournament numbers (when clicking the tournament in sharkscope to see who was in them).

Who knows, maybe Sharkscope recorded the results based on alphabetical order of user names.

Similar reactions have been had before on Stars when all it was was a scope error with satellites for instance.

Something obviously is up here (either with the player or with the tracking sites), but odds it is a super user grinding in such an obvious manner for a couple bucks a game vs for instance crushing higher buy in cash games (for similar profits in a day) seems a bit silly.

OP is obviously LOlwhatevercrazy in general, but definitely something here worthy of explanation, although typically the explanations end up disappointing the people who want to believe it is something more than it is.
Regarding the bolded, it does that in every tournament for everybody. It doesn't let you look up individual tournaments.

If I were a superuser, I'd for sure play lower, where a massive percentage of the player pool are rec/fish/1-tabling players who wouldn't ever become aware of superusing. The mid-high SnG games have a number of regs who know about sharkscope and are generally aware; we would have seen this in our games way, way faster. I mean, me and/or one well-known reg have probably played in at least 75% of the 100+10 games that have ran; the player pool is too small for something like this to escape unnoticed. Certainly before 1k+ games.

You certainly might be right that it's something innocuous, I have no answers, but superusing has gotta be way more than a non-zero probability here.

Last edited by SitandSpin; 01-02-2018 at 06:59 PM.
01-02-2018 , 07:23 PM
prob should change that wild title
01-02-2018 , 07:23 PM
See, if I were a superuser I would choose to play games (cash games) that are not tracked by any sites as opposed to buck sit and gos that are tracked and generate a end of world reaction when discovered when scope has the account up a few thousand dollars for a couple months work.

Don't get me wrong, I believe you when you say you would choose the much easier to get caught approach that also takes a ton more time, and makes far less money. Perhaps this is a superuser that also goes with that career path.

Odds are it is something that will be less exciting when explained.
01-02-2018 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SitandSpin
also might be worth noting that he was breakeven/losing for his first about 350 games (bout tree fitty)

at which point he became the GOAT
All during the span of about 2 weeks time.

This guy is totally chip dumping to himself and needs to be banned immediately.
01-02-2018 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Interesting (though kind of standard in these threads) that nobody thought it possible that it is just an error on sharkscope's end. If you look at the tournaments they all come back as tournament errors / invalid tournament numbers (when clicking the tournament in sharkscope to see who was in them). Who knows, maybe Sharkscope recorded the results based on alphabetical order of user names or some other recording error. Similar reactions have been had before on Stars (even recently when peopel screamed that someone won a million dollars in 3 straight sit and gos) when all it was was a scope error with satellites for instance that recorded the tournament (that the sat went to) guaranteed prize pool instead of the $109 entry fee. The guy won $327 but it was if the world ended to some before common sense paid a visit. Even after that logical explanation some people still thought something was up, because it made them feel better or something.

Something obviously is up here (either with the player or with the tracking sites - I favor the latter), but odds it is a super user grinding in such an obvious manner for a couple bucks a game for months vs for instance crushing higher buy in cash games (for similar profits in a day) seems a bit silly.

OP is obviously LOlwhatevercrazy in general, but definitely something here worthy of explanation, although typically the explanations end up disappointing the people who want to believe it is something more than it is.
Well, he hasn't been doing it for months. His streak just started 2 weeks ago.
01-02-2018 , 07:43 PM
made an account just to say idk how freesafety is not banned dude has a 91% ITM in hypers & a 94% ITM in 6 max turbos over 150 games , safe to say 100 percent won't be able to cash out either.
01-02-2018 , 08:41 PM
I sort of get the feeling that Global Poker may be cheating its players. I don't think it is fair to say that just because someone has the feeling that they may be cheating that it is in error to voice that opinion. It would however be fortunate to have evidence of it, otherwise, my intuition is meaningless.

Just a thought, of course, take it for what it is worth. I, of course, do not have knowledge that they are cheating or evidence, just a feeling, that's all.

It doesn't make me ignorant, by the way. Maybe my intuition is correct?

Anyway....
01-02-2018 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hrmmmm
I sort of get the feeling that Global Poker may be cheating its players. I don't think it is fair to say that just because someone has the feeling that they may be cheating that it is in error to voice that opinion. It would however be fortunate to have evidence of it, otherwise, my intuition is meaningless.

Just a thought, of course, take it for what it is worth. I, of course, do not have knowledge that they are cheating or evidence, just a feeling, that's all.

It doesn't make me ignorant, by the way. Maybe my intuition is correct?

Anyway....

very powerful words. nonsensical too.
01-02-2018 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by archosaurs
very powerful words. nonsensical too.
Yes, because we all know intuitions are nonsense.
01-02-2018 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hrmmmm
Yes, because we all know intuitions are nonsense.
lol lol lol sorry for insulting you Miss Cleo. How much do you charge for palm readings? I've got bout tree fiddy.
01-02-2018 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by archosaurs
how much do you charge for palm readings? I've got bout tree fiddy.

I didn't realize an intuition was the same as a palm reading.
01-02-2018 , 10:39 PM
I wouldn't be surprised.. they are based in AUS? Last I heard Poker was banned there.
01-02-2018 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
I wouldn't be surprised.. they are based in AUS? Last I heard Poker was banned there.
Yeah, they are from Australia. What scares me a bit is if they have any "rogues" like the dude that stole all the money a while ago from the place that Helmuth fronted for. I wish they would be more visible like Pokerstars. It's really hard to trust many of these places unless they make themselves very visible.
01-02-2018 , 11:05 PM
Sounds like a collusion ring party poker had one couple months ago. Give global poker a break I heard they are in danger of being insolvent and their paypal banking might get shut down. How much did you get cheated out of $2?
01-02-2018 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by playinggameswithu
Sounds like a collusion ring party poker had one couple months ago. Give global poker a break I heard they are in danger of being insolvent and their paypal banking might get shut down. How much did you get cheated out of $2?
Sounds strange that they'd be in danger of insolvency, on the front end they seem to be doing very well. Where'd you hear that? I haven't read these forums much.

      
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