Hey guys if you are not playing the highest stakes you have to right to voice your concerns. Thanks duke

I was at work...I didn't read whole thread, just replied to it.

i woulda guessed HUDs are useless at higher stakes and mainly aid in mass tabling

Lol @ 2+2 editing the title , thats some CNN type

There are a lot of threads on here that have the titles changed. Almost daily on the global sub forum. It's disgusting actually.

If that's what you wanted to talk about, then you could have posted about it in one of the existing threads about the topic. But it didn't appear as if that was what you wanted to talk about - you started a thread about how Global deleted a thread (which they didn't) and were sweeping things under the rug (which they weren't). When sirswish points this out to you, you start talking about people who "defend so hard for a company that has a ton of unprofessional problems, and bash everyone who says anything negative about them". It was actually you that was bashing someone for pointing out some incorrect conclusions you were jumping to.

There aren't many easier ban & deletions than when someone creates a screen name that is the name of their product, and starts a thread asking for people who want to test it. Banning spammers like that is completely standard. The fact that this possibility never occurred to you, and you instead jumped to the conclusions you did, is a sign that you've lost a little perspective here.

Don't get me wrong - I understand your, and others, frustrations about hand histories and HUDs. And there's nothing wrong with voicing those frustrations and concerns. But some of you seem to get to a point where you become so aggravated with a poker site that you start to view everything that happens in the worst possible light, and see people who are doing nothing more than trying to be objective as shills or site supporters. When you do that, it's really not helpful to your cause, or anyone else.

Hopefully you can see this post not as an attack, which isn't the intent, but as some friendly advice, which is the intent.

Cliffs: Spammers gunna spam, mods gunna ban.

youre missing the point

theres like 4 fish at every table 100nl and 100plo and lower. i dont think hud use is rampant or even existent below like 400 or 600

from what i understand, there is no free hud available - who would develop a hud and just give it away for free? if someones buying a hud, theyre probably playing at minimum 200nl/plo+

and even then, if you're making a living on global playing higher games, why would you risk getting caught and banned?

i have my doubts that hud use is rampant on global. maybe a few guys have one developed for them but even then, so what? its not THAT big of an advantage.

like you dont need the bovada hud to crush midstakes and highstakes bovada. all it tells you is vpip/pfr and other dumb stats like aggression factor and showdownvalue that dont even converge accurately over a single session.

i guess if someone had a very detailed hud that saved stats from session to session and showed more indepth stats (like for instance how often you bet-bet-XF in a 3bet pot) thats a pretty big advantage. but that would be expensive to acquire unless you developed it for yourself. im guessing someone who had the ability to develop it or the money/connections to pay someone to develop it for them is not going to be playing lower than $400, and if they had that advantage, theyll probably move up very quickly to $1k and 2k

for those reasons, i really just dont see how this is a problem for 99% of the global population

i feel like with the quick timer its tough to mass-table. i have trouble doing more than 6-8 tables so i imagine people who are better at it than i am are maxing out at like 12-16 tables? and even that seems hard especially if you're taking notes/table selecting/etc

would be much more useful at higher stakes where there is a small player pool and edges are thinner

I forgot the dudes name but someone had 14 buy INS at 5/10 the other day, ive playedd200k hands around micros and never gotten over 10 bi I think which is still ridiculous for one table, could def understand the logic behind only a couple people are using huds and that would be higher stakes,

Yeah, I wish the timer wasn't so quick. I also have trouble playing more than 6 tables at once.