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The smaller the edge the less you should bet theory The smaller the edge the less you should bet theory

07-10-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
What does "citation" mean. In any case could you perhaps use the same technique to get other VIPs to these forums?
It wasn't quite a citation, I loosely referenced "his books" when talking about his formula for maximizing finite-time growth. I saw the formula in The New Money Management ('92? '95?), but it's probably in his other books too.

Do you have any requests for whom I should headhunt next?
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07-10-2017 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I hope that everyone realizes that the expected value numbers need no computer to calculate. You simply take the number that the first bet turns your one dollar bankroll into on average and raise it to the tenth power.
And the median is calculated similarly

Multiply Growth and decay factors of the median number of wins/loses
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07-10-2017 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Since I have a program to handle simple cases like this, here are the Expected Values and Median Values under the assumptions of Mr. Vince's example.

Suppose you are a gambler with a starting bankroll of 1. Suppose you are faced with a series of 10 independent binary bets each of which pays 2:1 and each of which wins 50% (and loses 50%). Suppose further that you must wager a fixed fraction of your then-current bankroll on each of the ten bets. Call this fixed fraction F.

As shown above, the Kelly fraction given by the formula (bp-q)/b becomes (2*.5-.5)/2 = .25 = 25%.

Here is the table of how the Expected Value and Median Value vary depending upon the Fixed Fraction chosen.

Fixed FractionExpected ValueMedian Value
0%1.001.00
10%1.631.47
20%2.591.76
25%3.251.80
30%4.051.76
40%6.191.47
50%9.311.00
60%13.790.53
70%20.110.19
80%28.930.04
90%41.080.01
100%57.670.00

As in the previous simple numerical example posted above, EV is maximized at F=100% while Median is maximized at F=Kelly=25%.
Why does kelly not maximise median here?


Roll =R0*(1+k*2)^(n/2)*(1-k)^(n/2)

For any n (possibly only even), using calculus kelly will airways be the k to maximise growth of the median punter.

Or is this the wrong way to look at it for small n, because the cases where n is small and odd you wouldn't really get the median pinters return.
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07-10-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by heehaww
It wasn't quite a citation, I loosely referenced "his books" when talking about his formula for maximizing finite-time growth. I saw the formula in The New Money Management ('92? '95?), but it's probably in his other books too.

Do you have any requests for whom I should headhunt next?
Nathan Myhrvold
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07-28-2017 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by heehaww
So if you bet 2/3 of the numbers on a Roulette wheel, then you have the edge over the house? No, edge is the % of a dollar you win per dollar wagered. In Roulette, you lose 5.26 cents per $1 wagered, so the edge is -5.26%. In my hypothetical game where you have a 20% edge but 1% chance of winning, that means the payout is big enough to make that true.

Huh? You just said the Kelly stake was less than 2%

If 2% is higher than Kelly, then it is over-betting. If kelly is 1% and you bet 2%, you're actually over-betting by so much that you'll go broke if you keep doing that. If Kelly is 1.5%, you won't go broke but you'll profit at a slower rate than had you only bet 1%, so it's more risk for less reward! That may sound weird, but it's proven by basic calculus.

Not only that, like you said in your OP, when applying this to sports wagers, you never know your chance of winning like you do in say Blackjack, what you calculate to be the Kelly stake is only an estimate. So really you should be betting less than that in case your estimate is too high. If Kelly says 2% then maybe bet 1.5%, or less depending on your margin of error. You wouldn't want to accidentally overbet by too much. And under-betting is always better than over-betting, because you can achieve the same rate of growth (compared to over-betting) but with less risk than full kelly. Over-betting, on the other hand, has no upside whatsoever.
You are such an incredibly smart dude. It's so obvious.
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