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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
I don't agree. The second villain to act will have a different fold percentage if the first villain calls or raises, vs if the first villain folds. We don't know which of those scenarios are the stated percentages, if either. More likely those percentages would be against a single opponent. The player who folds 50% if we bet may get priced in if the other villain first calls, and then folds a much smaller percentage. And that's just one example of dependence.
From a pure math standpoint the question is straightforward and has been answered. But it isn't fine to assume independence here.
I think I may have used terminology incorrectly. Let me try to explain better. It depends on how the percentages are derived. If they are derived empirically, then the second fold rate is likely the probability villain folds, given the first villain has already folded, and they can just be multiplied. If they are derived by theoretical continuing ranges, each probability probably represents the percentage of each villain's range that continue. Because ranges intersect it is not perfectly accurate to say that the probability that both villains fold is the product of the percentages of their ranges that continue, but it is close enough under almost all circumstances.
For an example, let's say that the board is 33344, and villain's ranges are both {KK+}, and they only continue against a bet with AA. Each villain continues with 50% of their range. However, because the events are not independent, the actual probability is P(V1 folds)*P(V2 folds | V1 folds), which is 1/2*1/7 = 1/14 = 7.1% chance they both fold, rather than 25%.
I might be making this too complicated.