Which is basically no regulation. Which is why they host the servers there. Move them to the US and let the NGC look at the hardware. That is regulation. Not some fake body that supposedly reads source code.

Heh. Maybe nobody will notice that you are just winging this one, and ignoring his very direct simple question/point about the other major sites.

Let's try again

Is the UK bad or not for regulation? Yes or no?


This direct enough for you?


Love the way you selectively edit and then add on to other people's partial posts as if they are even saying anything close to what you are saying. If that is your approach you should stick with the drunk guys posting about straights at play money tables, they at least will forget to see what you did the next day


spade is right, just say you hate every non American and be done with it. We all see it already anyway.

Does the UK get so see the servers? It has nothing to do with that. What did the UK or Indians do when UB stole from it's users? Where is the regulation? These agencies that sign off on the bs source code are jokes and are most likely being paid on the side by these sites. If they stopped hiding offshore and were in the US they couldn't do this. Which is why they never will.

I take that means the UK is bad. Interesting. I like how you are upset they did nothing about UB even though they had nothing to do with regulating them. Also interesting.

I assume your cause (ie: all things not American is bad) extends beyond online poker as well. What other industries and areas do you think need work as well?

You have some fascinating views on the world, share more of them.

Where did I say that? Send your resume to CNN, u would fit in good there.

Again where did I say this? I am talking about the fact that online poker is free to operate without any laws or regulation and your turning this into a anti Euro thing?

Fact remains that online poker has no oversight, regulation or punishment for wrong doing. You seem to want to ignore this and say the UK or AUS or whoever else is supposedly "regulating" is doing a great job. Well I know a few UB users that would disagree with you.

OK, so let's try again

Do you have faith that the UK regulates the sites properly? Yes or no.

Please stop answering this direct yes/no question with references to UB which have nothing to do with the UK.





You keep bringing up UB as if they are the entire industry. They are not.

Do you think the other major sites that basically have UK oversight are sufficiently regulated? If not, why not? What would the US do that the UK fails to do?

These are very specific questions. Shock the world by actually answering direct questions

Or you can just go on another UB ramble...

You keep trying to paint me a UK hater. The fact is they don't have access to the servers so how can they regulate something properly? By getting a copy of the source code and reading it and saying "yea that is fine" is not proper regulation. Doesn't matter if it's the UK or anybody. The process is flawed because the sites have designed it that way. What about the sites that are regulated by that place in AUS? It's the same thing. Does that make me a hater of another country? Your trying to tell us that since the UK is ok in your book and they can read computer language off a piece of paper they are the end all. How crazy is that?

I never said they were but it's an perfect example of how someone can get into a server (since nobody is watching or has access to them) and run amuck and then walk away with no punishment after the users that are getting screwed catch him and expose him. Scary but you seem to think they are regulated properly.

I know i'm late to this argument party, but if I may interject a couple of points.

With the internet, networks, intranets, etc. etc. you do not need to 'physically' be present to inspect a server. By that logic, it wouldn't matter if the regulatory body was in the same state as the servers, you wouldn't trust the site unless the servers were hosted at the brick and mortar location of the regulatory body?

Second point, a UK regulatory body is equivalent to a US regulatory body and I say that as an American who has dealt with some British agencies. They are top notch.

and sorry if I repeat some points of the thread, didn't read it all, just a few pages

Mel...

How about the Indians? On that resevervation in Canada. They know nothing about gaming. How is the KGC qualified? Truth is they aren't but since they are not subject to Canadian law or any law for that matter they can do whatever they want.

Do yourself a favor and watch the CBS documentary "Poker face" It's very imformative.

Oh, you mean the one where Josem explains how he and other 2+2ers caught the cheaters? You mean the cheaters who cheated without rigging the deck (topic of this thread) ?

I like how you even selectively choose news organizations to fit your varied needs, whether insulting or complimentary.


I am surprised this thread has not yet been merged where you can join your fellow riggedologist conspiracy guys and keep warm, but the reality is that you have not charted any new territory in your beliefs, you have not proven a single thing (not a shock), and you have formed your entire belief structure based on conjecture and paranoia.

The irony is that in the video you compliment it basically features the exact type of people (Josem for instance) who actually did valuable work to help better the industry by proving that a certain type of crime was taking place (though it had nothing to do with whether the deal was random).

No doubt you would call him a shill and dismiss his posts as well (you probably have in the huge rigged thread, since a gimmick account like yours has to have posted there by now), but guys like him are the ones who do the work that matters by actually proving what they say instead of just shouting what they say.

You are a shouter, which is your right to do, but you will never be a producer of actual results. So keep on shouting till your online voice goes hoarse. Maybe CBS and the US government (and not CNN and the UK government or the "Indians") will do a documentary about you some day...

All the best.

Topic of this thread is how the game is not legit. I would say a employee of the site who can see everyone's hole cards qualifies.

Just the one that matches your diversionary tactics and propaganda.

As soon as independant agency is allowed to see the servers nobody will have any facts, just source code and your words that everything is ok.

Actually the title is

Is PokerStars rigged?

Everyone else attributes "rigged" to the RnG being tweaked to do whatever the rigged theory of the day is.

I certainly agree that UB made some software design errors in allowing superusers to even be possible to exist. However that had nothing to do with whether the actual deal was fair, which again is what pretty much every rigged thread is about.

But hey, if you will say flat out you believe all the RnGs are fair and the deals are fair, I certainly will agree that some companies made some bad choices (and some smaller ones willingly committed fraud on their players) and a lot of people were hurt and there has yet to be any true justice applied as a result.

So?



Well, the alternative is asking you for any proof of your beliefs for the xxxth time which will lead to no proof anyway, so may as well have a little fun playing the type of debating game you play.



Oh please. No matter what happens people will still think it is rigged. They will just add whoever inspects it as in on it or say they know what the inspectors look for so switch off the doomswitched the day they come to look at it.

You are not that naive to believe that if some "independant agency" inspects it, even to your specifications, that it will change beliefs at all. Even yours probably would not change :P

All the best.

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

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I'm convinved it's just one knucklehead and 17 accounts -- "MACK IS GOD", "JustoNoBusto", "BucketFoot", Prav", "feldzpar", "_viper_", "dfgh555", "banonlinepoker"...etc., etc., etc.

btw the most bizarre plays, absurd things said at the table, and craziest hands I've ever seen have all been live.

Not to mention there was no regulation either by the site or an independent body to catch what was going on. The users had to catch it. Then after it was exposed the guilty party didn't even get a slap on the wrist. What is scary is that basically greed is what got him caught. If he wasn't so blatant about it and just won a little less often he would have never been caught.

Nah, if they host the servers in Nevada and let the NGC inspect them and regulate them like any other casino I would believe they are legit. Though this will never happen.

Quid pro quo. You can't just do that out of context quote to fill your not to mention style continuation as if I was agreeing with you. You also ignored the question I asked for you to do in trade.

Not sure why you think that partial out of context quoting thing you do does not get noticed, it aint really hidden or tricky.

Nothing about UB was a rigged deal in terms of the deal being random and that is generally what all rigged threads are about.

The superusers issue is something separate, a form of crime that should not exist but did in a couple of rooms. Other crimes exist as well, many small rooms went under while taking players money.

None of this has anything to do with non random dealing of cards, and one of the main frustrations of riggedologists is that they focus on fantasy non random dealing while ignoring actual real security issues.

Yes or no, do you specifically think the games themselves are dealt randomly? Very specific question, give it a specific answer. Not one of your evasive ones.



If they did exactly as you say , odds are you would not believe it was any more legit. Even if somehow you did, 99.9% of rigged believers would not change their mind. You seriously think a guy who claims too many straights happen on play money tables would change his views if the servers were in Vegas?

Yes, I'm sure that would convince me. Let's put the servers in Vegas, baby. The city in the desert, created by gangsters and with continued ties to organized crime. Me thinks you have too much faith in the "ultimate crime bosses" i.e., the US Government.

Government regulation = someone who didn't work for it, "legally" taking the money I earned, at gunpoint.

it will be rigged forever couse those goverments allows them to use this type of programs and they all use it: deal 18 card to players...then the program chooses a winner and spawns a flop with the cards left (no burned cards) what gives a lot of room to manipulate outcomes of hands
in real poker the order of cards decides who wins a hand

I guess that settles the skill vs. chance argument then.

oh rite i forgot the bluffers
exuse me

You also forgot the 75% of hands that never get to showdown, hence the cards alone don't determine the winner 3/4 of the time, player decisions do.

isn't that just a mather who has the most money or chip stack?
eazy to make those players fold with their o so precious bankroll managment

besides this is off topic

This thread still makes me chuckle...

Daily flights to France or Sweden. Take your pick. No gun to you head keeping you here.

Not to mention, no gun forcing people to play online, so if someone is uncomfortable with it they can opt to not play.

Love it or leave it!

Know what I mean