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08-10-2018 , 12:48 PM
Hi, my local casino offers high hand jackpots ($250+ per 15 minutes) with lots of side action between players betting on whether current high hands hold with varying odds based on strength of current high hand. Both hole cards must play to qualify and there is typically 6-10 full-ring tables eligible (usually half no limit and half limit holdem games).

I would like to consult the math wizards here to determine what are the right odds to lay for each full house+ taking into consideration the number of tables eligible. We can make simplifying assumptions such as every pocket pair and suited connectors see to the river.

Thanks a ton!
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08-13-2018 , 02:47 PM
I ran a simulation overnight that should provide some useful information. The simulation consisted of 1,000,000 deals of 9-handed NLHE where each player goes to showdown on each deal.

I kept track of the winning hand "category" of each deal and only tallied it if the winning player used both hole cards to make the winning hand (AK on AAKK2 qualifies).

Tally of Winning Hands (both hole cards must play)

Winning HandWinning Hand TallyCumulative Higher Tally
2's full of x
6,637
97,681
3's full of x
6,807
90,874
4's full of x
6,979
83,895
5's full of x
7,089
76,806
6's full of x
7,071
69,735
7's full of x
7,353
62,382
8's full of x
7,375
55,007
9's full of x
7,372
47,635
T's full of x
7,564
40,071
J's full of x
7,630
32,441
Q's full of x
7,785
24,656
K's full of x
7,892
16,764
A's full of 2's
589
16,175
A's full of 3's
618
15,557
A's full of 4's
648
14,909
A's full of 5's
608
14,301
A's full of 6's
657
13,644
A's full of 7's
648
12,996
A's full of 8's
646
12,350
A's full of 9's
710
11,640
A's full of T's
678
10,962
A's full of J's
677
10,285
A's full of Q's
720
9,565
A's full of K's
689
8,876
Four of a Kind
7,539
1,337
Royal/Straight Flush
1,337
0

Since there were 1,000,000 deals simulated, the tallies are easily converted to probabilities. For example, the probability of Jacks Full being the winning hand in a 9-handed NLHE deal (requiring both hole cards to play) is 7,630 / 1,000,000 = 0.763%.

The second column of the table is of most interest. For example, the table shows that the probability of the winning hand in a 9-handed NLHE deal (requiring both hole cards to play) being better than Jacks Full is 32,441 / 1,000,000 = 3.2441%.

These figures can be used to answer OP's questions.


Edit to add: As I always say, caution should be used before trusting these figures. While I tried to be careful in programming the simulation, errors have been known to creep in. Until someone else can confirm/verify that these figures are at least in the right ballpark, I would treat these results with healthy skepticism.

Last edited by whosnext; 08-13-2018 at 03:06 PM. Reason: added edit at bottom
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08-17-2018 , 12:51 AM
I re-ran the exact same simulation of 1,000,000 deals of 9-handed NLHE where each player goes to showdown on each deal. This time I kept track of more output levels.

Before I moth-ball my program, I decided to give it one more spin. Someone in either the present or the future may find these results of interest.

I kept track of the winning hand "category" of each deal and only tallied it if the winning player used both hole cards to make the winning hand (AK on AAKK2 qualifies).

Tally of Winning Hands (both hole cards must play)

Winning HandWinning Hand TallyCumulative Higher Tally
2's full of 3's
508
103,810
2's full of 4's
535
103,275
2's full of 5's
563
102,712
2's full of 6's
568
102,144
2's full of 7's
568
101,576
2's full of 8's
520
101,056
2's full of 9's
555
100,501
2's full of T's
551
99,950
2's full of J's
543
99,407
2's full of Q's
556
98,851
2's full of K's
572
98,279
2's full of A's
598
97,681
3's full of 2's
566
97,115
3's full of 4's
529
96,586
3's full of 5's
512
96,074
3's full of 6's
569
95,505
3's full of 7's
532
94,973
3's full of 8's
579
94,394
3's full of 9's
593
93,801
3's full of T's
558
93,243
3's full of J's
588
92,655
3's full of Q's
590
92,065
3's full of K's
577
91,488
3's full of A's
614
90,874
4's full of 2's
536
90,338
4's full of 3's
606
89,732
4's full of 5's
529
89,203
4's full of 6's
593
88,610
4's full of 7's
534
88,076
4's full of 8's
594
87,482
4's full of 9's
595
86,887
4's full of T's
579
86,308
4's full of J's
575
85,733
4's full of Q's
602
85,131
4's full of K's
615
84,516
4's full of A's
621
83,895
5's full of 2's
590
83,305
5's full of 3's
589
82,716
5's full of 4's
609
82,107
5's full of 6's
581
81,526
5's full of 7's
528
80,998
5's full of 8's
605
80,393
5's full of 9's
574
79,819
5's full of T's
560
79,259
5's full of J's
586
78,673
5's full of Q's
623
78,050
5's full of K's
568
77,482
5's full of A's
676
76,806
6's full of 2's
596
76,210
6's full of 3's
591
75,619
6's full of 4's
567
75,052
6's full of 5's
586
74,466
6's full of 7's
580
73,886
6's full of 8's
578
73,308
6's full of 9's
565
72,743
6's full of T's
575
72,168
6's full of J's
597
71,571
6's full of Q's
631
70,940
6's full of K's
600
70,340
6's full of A's
605
69,735
7's full of 2's
574
69,161
7's full of 3's
612
68,549
7's full of 4's
628
67,921
7's full of 5's
611
67,310
7's full of 6's
672
66,638
7's full of 8's
574
66,064
7's full of 9's
542
65,522
7's full of T's
623
64,899
7's full of J's
579
64,320
7's full of Q's
627
63,693
7's full of K's
630
63,063
7's full of A's
681
62,382
8's full of 2's
594
61,788
8's full of 3's
653
61,135
8's full of 4's
585
60,550
8's full of 5's
592
59,958
8's full of 6's
648
59,310
8's full of 7's
617
58,693
8's full of 9's
605
58,088
8's full of T's
588
57,500
8's full of J's
592
56,908
8's full of Q's
650
56,258
8's full of K's
635
55,623
8's full of A's
616
55,007
9's full of 2's
535
54,472
9's full of 3's
607
53,865
9's full of 4's
610
53,255
9's full of 5's
609
52,646
9's full of 6's
640
52,006
9's full of 7's
634
51,372
9's full of 8's
669
50,703
9's full of T's
567
50,136
9's full of J's
610
49,526
9's full of Q's
625
48,901
9's full of K's
648
48,253
9's full of A's
618
47,635
T's full of 2's
588
47,047
T's full of 3's
621
46,426
T's full of 4's
636
45,790
T's full of 5's
566
45,224
T's full of 6's
650
44,574
T's full of 7's
652
43,922
T's full of 8's
665
43,257
T's full of 9's
649
42,608
T's full of J's
614
41,994
T's full of Q's
602
41,392
T's full of K's
651
40,741
T's full of A's
670
40,071
J's full of 2's
602
39,469
J's full of 3's
584
38,885
J's full of 4's
637
38,248
J's full of 5's
630
37,618
J's full of 6's
609
37,009
J's full of 7's
617
36,392
J's full of 8's
632
35,760
J's full of 9's
690
35,070
J's full of T's
668
34,402
J's full of Q's
675
33,727
J's full of K's
657
33,070
J's full of A's
629
32,441
Q's full of 2's
616
31,825
Q's full of 3's
615
31,210
Q's full of 4's
624
30,586
Q's full of 5's
643
29,943
Q's full of 6's
665
29,278
Q's full of 7's
635
28,643
Q's full of 8's
623
28,020
Q's full of 9's
670
27,350
Q's full of T's
677
26,673
Q's full of J's
747
25,926
Q's full of K's
642
25,284
Q's full of A's
628
24,656
K's full of 2's
606
24,050
K's full of 3's
609
23,441
K's full of 4's
631
22,810
K's full of 5's
640
22,170
K's full of 6's
644
21,526
K's full of 7's
673
20,853
K's full of 8's
632
20,221
K's full of 9's
715
19,506
K's full of T's
700
18,806
K's full of J's
680
18,126
K's full of Q's
671
17,455
K's full of A's
691
16,764
A's full of 2's
589
16,175
A's full of 3's
618
15,557
A's full of 4's
648
14,909
A's full of 5's
608
14,301
A's full of 6's
657
13,644
A's full of 7's
648
12,996
A's full of 8's
646
12,350
A's full of 9's
710
11,640
A's full of T's
678
10,962
A's full of J's
677
10,285
A's full of Q's
720
9,565
A's full of K's
689
8,876
Quad 2's
584
8,292
Quad 3's
595
7,697
Quad 4's
559
7,138
Quad 5's
607
6,531
Quad 6's
562
5,969
Quad 7's
535
5,434
Quad 8's
607
4,827
Quad 9's
593
4,234
Quad T's
577
3,657
Quad J's
578
3,079
Quad Q's
587
2,492
Quad K's
564
1,928
Quad A's
591
1,337
StrFlush 5-high
115
1,222
StrFlush 6-high
123
1,099
StrFlush 7-high
141
958
StrFlush 8-high
136
822
StrFlush 9-high
146
676
StrFlush T-high
137
539
StrFlush J-high
153
386
StrFlush Q-high
131
255
StrFlush K-high
119
136
RoyalFlush
136
0

Since there were 1,000,000 deals simulated, the tallies are easily converted to probabilities. For example, the probability of Queens Full Of Tens being the winning hand in a 9-handed NLHE deal (requiring both hole cards to play) is 677 / 1,000,000 = 0.0677%.

The second column of the table is of most interest. For example, the table shows that the probability of the winning hand in a 9-handed NLHE deal (requiring both hole cards to play) being better than Queens Full Of Tens is 26,673 / 1,000,000 = 2.6673%.

These figures can be used to answer OP's questions.


Repeat of caution: As I always say, caution should be used before trusting these figures. While I tried to be careful in programming the simulation, errors have been known to creep in. Until someone else can confirm/verify that these figures are at least in the right ballpark, I would treat these results with healthy skepticism.
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08-20-2018 , 02:44 PM
I let my poor computer run all weekend since I was a trifle dissatisfied with the "lumpiness" of the results of the simulation over 1,000,000 deals. The following results are from a simulation over 10,000,000 deals.

Some of the lumpiness gets smoothed out with the larger sample size. Of course, interested readers can use the standard formulas to determine the statistical range for the true values given these results. I will come back to this at the end of this post.


Tally of Winning Hands (both hole cards must play)

Winning HandWinning Hand TallyCumulative Higher Tally
2's full of 3's
5,329
1,036,752
2's full of 4's
5,442
1,031,310
2's full of 5's
5,406
1,025,904
2's full of 6's
5,378
1,020,526
2's full of 7's
5,409
1,015,117
2's full of 8's
5,704
1,009,413
2's full of 9's
5,672
1,003,741
2's full of T's
5,731
998,010
2's full of J's
5,799
992,211
2's full of Q's
5,950
986,261
2's full of K's
5,900
980,361
2's full of A's
6,095
974,266
3's full of 2's
5,889
968,377
3's full of 4's
5,463
962,914
3's full of 5's
5,400
957,514
3's full of 6's
5,435
952,079
3's full of 7's
5,449
946,630
3's full of 8's
5,775
940,855
3's full of 9's
5,628
935,227
3's full of T's
5,733
929,494
3's full of J's
5,752
923,742
3's full of Q's
5,955
917,787
3's full of K's
6,018
911,769
3's full of A's
5,936
905,833
4's full of 2's
5,712
900,121
4's full of 3's
5,852
894,269
4's full of 5's
5,315
888,954
4's full of 6's
5,431
883,523
4's full of 7's
5,599
877,924
4's full of 8's
5,587
872,337
4's full of 9's
5,779
866,558
4's full of T's
5,772
860,786
4's full of J's
5,805
854,981
4's full of Q's
6,031
848,950
4's full of K's
6,225
842,725
4's full of A's
6,171
836,554
5's full of 2's
5,710
830,844
5's full of 3's
5,821
825,023
5's full of 4's
6,058
818,965
5's full of 6's
5,615
813,350
5's full of 7's
5,742
807,608
5's full of 8's
5,721
801,887
5's full of 9's
5,910
795,977
5's full of T's
5,911
790,066
5's full of J's
5,928
784,138
5's full of Q's
5,988
778,150
5's full of K's
6,141
772,009
5's full of A's
6,131
765,878
6's full of 2's
5,957
759,921
6's full of 3's
5,884
754,037
6's full of 4's
6,117
747,920
6's full of 5's
6,082
741,838
6's full of 7's
5,740
736,098
6's full of 8's
5,622
730,476
6's full of 9's
5,824
724,652
6's full of T's
6,008
718,644
6's full of J's
6,061
712,583
6's full of Q's
6,006
706,577
6's full of K's
6,090
700,487
6's full of A's
6,520
693,967
7's full of 2's
5,868
688,099
7's full of 3's
5,808
682,291
7's full of 4's
6,029
676,262
7's full of 5's
6,208
670,054
7's full of 6's
6,217
663,837
7's full of 8's
5,590
658,247
7's full of 9's
5,674
652,573
7's full of T's
5,911
646,662
7's full of J's
6,070
640,592
7's full of Q's
6,196
634,396
7's full of K's
6,340
628,056
7's full of A's
6,230
621,826
8's full of 2's
5,994
615,832
8's full of 3's
6,030
609,802
8's full of 4's
6,164
603,638
8's full of 5's
6,181
597,457
8's full of 6's
6,286
591,171
8's full of 7's
6,396
584,775
8's full of 9's
5,884
578,891
8's full of T's
5,953
572,938
8's full of J's
6,003
566,935
8's full of Q's
6,047
560,888
8's full of K's
6,234
554,654
8's full of A's
6,327
548,327
9's full of 2's
6,007
542,320
9's full of 3's
5,902
536,418
9's full of 4's
6,023
530,395
9's full of 5's
6,131
524,264
9's full of 6's
6,272
517,992
9's full of 7's
6,430
511,562
9's full of 8's
6,448
505,114
9's full of T's
6,115
498,999
9's full of J's
6,135
492,864
9's full of Q's
6,035
486,829
9's full of K's
6,177
480,652
9's full of A's
6,414
474,238
T's full of 2's
5,865
468,373
T's full of 3's
6,141
462,232
T's full of 4's
6,158
456,074
T's full of 5's
6,216
449,858
T's full of 6's
6,342
443,516
T's full of 7's
6,367
437,149
T's full of 8's
6,568
430,581
T's full of 9's
6,602
423,979
T's full of J's
6,300
417,679
T's full of Q's
6,267
411,412
T's full of K's
6,122
405,290
T's full of A's
6,429
398,861
J's full of 2's
6,196
392,665
J's full of 3's
5,950
386,715
J's full of 4's
6,058
380,657
J's full of 5's
6,172
374,485
J's full of 6's
6,264
368,221
J's full of 7's
6,397
361,824
J's full of 8's
6,559
355,265
J's full of 9's
6,514
348,751
J's full of T's
6,778
341,973
J's full of Q's
6,287
335,686
J's full of K's
6,400
329,286
J's full of A's
6,563
322,723
Q's full of 2's
6,044
316,679
Q's full of 3's
6,200
310,479
Q's full of 4's
6,033
304,446
Q's full of 5's
6,066
298,380
Q's full of 6's
6,267
292,113
Q's full of 7's
6,364
285,749
Q's full of 8's
6,611
279,138
Q's full of 9's
6,584
272,554
Q's full of T's
6,769
265,785
Q's full of J's
7,149
258,636
Q's full of K's
6,475
252,161
Q's full of A's
6,559
245,602
K's full of 2's
6,060
239,542
K's full of 3's
6,196
233,346
K's full of 4's
6,050
227,296
K's full of 5's
6,285
221,011
K's full of 6's
6,432
214,579
K's full of 7's
6,547
208,032
K's full of 8's
6,648
201,384
K's full of 9's
6,594
194,790
K's full of T's
6,781
188,009
K's full of J's
6,901
181,108
K's full of Q's
7,116
173,992
K's full of A's
6,491
167,501
A's full of 2's
6,064
161,437
A's full of 3's
6,191
155,246
A's full of 4's
6,185
149,061
A's full of 5's
6,299
142,762
A's full of 6's
6,378
136,384
A's full of 7's
6,498
129,886
A's full of 8's
6,511
123,375
A's full of 9's
6,761
116,614
A's full of T's
6,979
109,635
A's full of J's
7,079
102,556
A's full of Q's
7,113
95,443
A's full of K's
7,305
88,138
Quad 2's
5,770
82,368
Quad 3's
5,747
76,621
Quad 4's
5,725
70,896
Quad 5's
5,712
65,184
Quad 6's
5,736
59,448
Quad 7's
5,749
53,699
Quad 8's
5,695
48,004
Quad 9's
5,718
42,286
Quad T's
5,718
36,568
Quad J's
5,835
30,733
Quad Q's
5,791
24,942
Quad K's
5,826
19,116
Quad A's
5,738
13,378
StrFlush 5-high
1,311
12,067
StrFlush 6-high
1,371
10,696
StrFlush 7-high
1,319
9,377
StrFlush 8-high
1,330
8,047
StrFlush 9-high
1,313
6,734
StrFlush T-high
1,347
5,387
StrFlush J-high
1,332
4,055
StrFlush Q-high
1,337
2,718
StrFlush K-high
1,309
1,409
RoyalFlush
1,409
0


Some of these probabilities seem amenable to direct calculation. Let me try what are likely to be the two easiest.

Direct Calculation of Probability of Royal Flush

Clearly, exactly three cards of a royal flush must appear on the board and the other two cards of that royal flush must appear in one of the nine players' hands (hole cards). Using combinatorial notation, and writing it out the long way, I think this probability is:

= [ C(4,1)*C(5,3)*C(47,2)*C(9,1)*C(2,2)*C(45,16)*C(16, 2)*C(14,2)*C(12,2)*C(10,2)*C(8,2)*C(6,2)*C(4,2)*C( 2,2) ] /

[ C(52,23)*C(23,5)*C(18,2)*C(16,2)*C(14,2)*C(12,2)*C (10,2)*C(8,2)*C(6,2)*C(4,2)*C(2,2) ]

= 3 / 21,658 (if I did all the simplifications correctly)

= 1,385 out of 10,000,000 (approximately)

Direct Calculation of Probability of King-High Straight-Flush

Clearly, exactly three cards of a King-high straight-flush must appear on the board (and the Ace of the suit cannot appear on the board) and the other two cards of that King-high straight-flush must appear in one of the nine players' hands (hole cards). Using combinatorial notation, and writing it out the long way, I think this probability is:

= [ C(4,1)*C(5,3)*C(46,2)*C(9,1)*C(2,2)*C(45,16)*C(16, 2)*C(14,2)*C(12,2)*C(10,2)*C(8,2)*C(6,2)*C(4,2)*C( 2,2) ] /

[ C(52,23)*C(23,5)*C(18,2)*C(16,2)*C(14,2)*C(12,2)*C (10,2)*C(8,2)*C(6,2)*C(4,2)*C(2,2) ]

= 135 / 1,017,926 (if I did all the simplifications correctly)

= 1,326 out of 10,000,000 (approximately)

Interested readers can double-check but I think the results of the 10-million deal simulation for both of these probabilities fall within one standard deviation of these purportedly (ostensibly) true values.

Last edited by whosnext; 08-20-2018 at 03:11 PM.
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