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Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking) Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking)

06-04-2019 , 11:45 PM
The Triton poker series has popularized short deck hold-em. I am sure that everyone knows by now that Short Deck is played with a 36-card deck since all the 2's, 3's, 4's, and 5's have been removed (of course, this is why Short Deck is also called Six-Plus poker).

Short Deck is a wildly fast-moving game with frequent large pots and tons of action. Pre-flop equities run much tighter than in Long Deck (regular 52-card NLHE poker). Similar to PLO, the in-hand swings in Short Deck are wild it being common for each card (flop, turn, river) to greatly change who is ahead in the hand.

In previous threads, I looked at how often does a Flush occur in Short Deck vs Long Deck, how often do Quads occur in Short Deck vs Long Deck, and how often do Full Houses occur in Short Deck vs Long Deck.

Here I want to take a more "high level" view. I want to investigate the distribution of winning hands in Short Deck vs Long Deck. As in the previous threads, I looked at 6-max Short Deck vs 6-max Long Deck. Unlike the previous analyses, this one does not seem amenable to analytical (combinatoric) solutions so I ran 10,000,000 deals of each poker variant. As was previously assumed, on each deal all hands go to showdown.

The table below presents the respective distributions of the category of winning hands. Following the adjusted rules of Short Deck, the table reflects that a Flush beats a Full House in Short Deck (in this and all other of my recent Short Deck threads a Straight beats Three of a Kind).

Long Deck CategorySix-Max Win Percentage__________Short Deck CategorySix-Max Win Percentage
Royal Flush
0.02%
.
Royal Flush
0.12%
Straight Flush
0.15%
.
Straight Flush
0.57%
Four of a Kind
0.89%
.
Four of a Kind
2.84%
Full House
10.95%
.
Flush
8.52%
Flush
10.83%
.
Full House
25.37%
Straight
16.56%
.
Straight
35.25%
Three of a Kind
13.89%
.
Three of a Kind
11.68%
Two Pair
30.50%
.
Two Pair
14.46%
One Pair
16.15%
.
One Pair
1.19%
High Card
0.06%
.
High Card
0.00%
.    
TOTAL
100.00%
.
TOTAL
100.00%

You will see immediately the winning hands are generally better in Short Deck compared to Long Deck due to the number of ranks being compressed from 13 to 9. The other salient findings are that Full House and Flush have dramatically different frequencies in the two variants. A flush and full house have very similar winning frequencies in 6-max Long Deck (both around 11%). However, due to the rank compression, full houses are much more common than flushes in Short Deck. Of course, for the same reason Straights are much more common in Short Deck than in Long Deck as well. Note that the results in the table depend upon the hand rankings utilized (i.e., the Short Deck percentages would change if a different hand ranking was used).

One final peculiarity. In the 10 million short deck 6-max deals, High Card was never the winning hand! I wonder if this result was guaranteed or if High Card winning is so rare that 10 million trials was not sufficient for this phenomenon to occur.

Last edited by whosnext; 06-05-2019 at 11:43 AM.
Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking) Quote
06-06-2019 , 11:22 AM
I think high card can win in short deck but it's exceedingly rare.

The two hands have to share a card and kickers come into play.

So like if the board runout is 678JQ and you have AK against AT or KT against K9 you can have a high card win. But the prevalence of straights with 5 unpaired cards on the board make it almost impossible to be in that situation.
Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking) Quote
06-08-2019 , 01:26 PM
Here is more information on winning hands in Short Deck vs Long Deck (6-max). I ran another set of 10,000,000 deals of each variant and kept track of which hole-card combo won each deal, where examples of hole-card combos are AQs, KJo, 99, etc. As before, every hand goes to showdown on every deal.

The table below presents the tally (pct) of winning hole-card hand combos in 6-max Long Deck. In the case of any deal resulting in a split pot between N players, I awarded each player 1/N.

Table 1: Tally of 6-Max Long Deck Winning Hands by Starting Hand Combo

100*Pct__A____K____Q____J____T____9____8____7____6____5____4____3____2__
A
133
151
140
133
124
110
103
99
95
98
95
91
89
K
57
117
134
126
119
104
93
91
86
83
79
78
74
Q
55
52
103
123
118
103
91
80
78
74
71
70
67
J
51
48
48
90
115
102
91
81
71
69
67
64
62
T
48
47
46
46
81
101
91
81
72
64
63
60
57
9
45
43
41
42
41
70
91
81
72
64
57
55
52
8
43
40
39
38
37
37
64
83
74
67
58
51
49
7
41
38
35
34
35
35
35
58
75
69
61
54
46
6
40
37
34
32
32
32
33
33
53
71
65
57
48
5
41
36
34
30
29
30
30
31
31
49
69
61
54
4
40
35
33
30
29
27
27
29
30
30
46
58
52
3
39
34
32
30
29
26
25
26
27
28
28
43
48
2
38
34
31
29
27
26
25
24
24
26
25
24
41

Following poker convention, the "lower triangular" portion of the table consists of suited hands, the "upper triangular" portion of the table consists of unsuited hands, and the "main diagonal" (in bold) of the table consists of the pairs.

The table's first entry of 133 means that 1.33% of all 6-max Long Deck deals were won by AA. Also, the 57 entry just below the 133 means that 0.57% of all 6-max Long Deck deals were won by AKs. Finally, the 151 entry just to the right of the 133 means that 1.51% of all 6-max Long Deck deals were won by AKo.

While these tallies contain a bunch of information, it is important to remember that not all cells in the table are created equal. Of course, there are more unsuited starting hands than suited starting hands which serves to give unsuited hands an "advantage" in the table's tally.

The fact reflected in the table that more hands are won with AKo than AKs is undoubtedly due to there being a lot more AKo starting hands than AKs starting hands over the course of the 10 million deals in the simulation. Everybody surely knows that there are 12 combos for each unsuited element (such as AKo), 4 combos for each suited element (such as AKs), and 6 combos for each paired element (such as AA).

In the next post I will use these combo counts to adjust the above tallies to be more illuminating.

Last edited by whosnext; 06-08-2019 at 05:30 PM.
Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking) Quote
06-08-2019 , 02:48 PM
Here is the follow-up to the previous post.

The table below presents the tally (pct) of specific winning hole-card hands in 6-max Long Deck. Examples of specific hole-card hands are AdQd, KhJc, 9d9c, etc.

As explained in the previous post, the entries of this table (for a specific hand such as KhJc) are derived directly from the previous table (for the corresponding combo such as KJo). Every unsuited entry of the previous table was divided by 12, every suited entry of the previous table was divided by 4, and every paired entry of the previous table was divided by 6.

Table 2: Tally of 6-Max Long Deck Winning Hands by Specific Starting Hand

1000*Pct__A____K____Q____J____T____9____8____7____6____5____4____3____2__
A
222
126
117
110
103
91
86
83
79
82
79
76
74
K
142
195
112
105
99
87
78
76
72
69
66
65
62
Q
137
129
171
103
98
85
76
67
65
62
59
59
56
J
128
120
120
150
96
85
75
67
59
58
56
53
51
T
121
118
116
114
134
84
76
67
60
54
52
50
47
9
112
108
103
104
102
117
76
68
60
53
48
46
44
8
107
100
97
96
93
92
106
69
61
56
48
43
41
7
101
95
88
85
89
87
87
97
62
57
51
45
38
6
99
92
84
80
81
80
82
83
88
59
54
47
40
5
103
91
84
76
73
75
76
77
78
81
57
51
45
4
99
88
81
76
73
67
68
73
74
75
76
48
44
3
99
85
81
75
72
66
64
66
67
70
70
71
40
2
94
84
77
72
69
64
61
59
60
66
63
60
68

To repeat from above, following poker convention, the "lower triangular" portion of the table consists of suited hands, the "upper triangular" portion of the table consists of unsuited hands, and the "main diagonal" (in bold) of the table consists of the pairs.

The table's first entry of 222 means that 0.222% of all 6-max Long Deck deals were won by a specific AA hand such as AhAc. Also, the 142 entry just below the 222 means that 0.142% of all 6-max Long Deck deals were won by a specific AKs hand such as AdKd. Finally, the 126 entry just to the right of the 222 means that 0.126% of all 6-max Long Deck deals were won by a specific AKo hand such as AhKc.

Presenting the tallies (pcts) at the specific hand level rather than at the combined combo level allows us to see "expected" results such as AKs is preferred to AKo. In addition, pairs are now placed on equal footing with both suited and unsuited starting hands.

The table shows that, according to this simulation, the ten best starting hands in 6-max Long Deck poker are AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AKs, AQs, TT, KQs, AJs, and AKo. Of course, in this simulation every hand goes to showdown on every deal, so "playability" and other such factors are not taken into account.

As Long Deck poker is the poker that everybody is most familiar with, I won't spend any time discussing the results shown in this table since everybody is probably very familiar with the relative strengths of 6-max Long Deck starting hands.

Last edited by whosnext; 06-08-2019 at 05:30 PM.
Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking) Quote
06-08-2019 , 03:19 PM
The next two posts will be the parallel posts for Short Deck. As before, the Short Deck rules I use are that Flush beats Full House (but Straight still beats Three of a Kind).

Here is more information on winning hands in Short Deck vs Long Deck (6-max). I ran another set of 10,000,000 deals of each variant and kept track of which hole-card combo won each deal, where examples of hole-card combos are AQs, KJo, 99, etc. As before, every hand goes to showdown on every deal.

The table below presents the tally (pct) of winning hole-card hand combos in 6-max Short Deck. In the case of any deal resulting in a split pot between N players, I awarded each player 1/N.

Table 3: Tally of 6-Max Short Deck Winning Hands by Starting Hand Combo

100*Pct__A____K____Q____J____T____9____8____7____6__
A
176
245
229
220
212
186
175
162
149
K
94
156
239
230
226
173
150
140
129
Q
87
90
139
240
236
181
155
131
123
J
86
88
91
130
253
197
168
143
120
T
83
86
90
95
123
217
185
157
133
9
74
70
72
77
82
106
177
158
135
8
70
63
64
67
73
71
97
144
124
7
66
59
57
60
65
65
60
89
109
6
63
56
54
53
57
57
54
49
82

To repeat from above, following poker convention, the "lower triangular" portion of the table consists of suited hands, the "upper triangular" portion of the table consists of unsuited hands, and the "main diagonal" (in bold) of the table consists of the pairs.

The table's first entry of 176 means that 1.76% of all 6-max Short Deck deals were won by AA. Also, the 94 entry just below the 176 means that 0.94% of all 6-max Short Deck deals were won by AKs. Finally, the 245 entry just to the right of the 176 means that 2.45% of all 6-max Short Deck deals were won by AKo.

While these tallies contain a bunch of information, it is important to remember that not all cells in the table are created equal. Of course, there are more unsuited starting hands than suited starting hands which serves to give unsuited hands an "advantage" in the table's tally.

The fact reflected in the table that more hands are won with AKo than AKs is undoubtedly due to there being a lot more AKo starting hands than AKs starting hands over the course of the 10 million deals in the simulation. Everybody surely knows that there are 12 combos for each unsuited element (such as AKo), 4 combos for each suited element (such as AKs), and 6 combos for each paired element (such as AA).

In the next post I will use these combo counts to adjust the above tallies to be more illuminating.

Last edited by whosnext; 06-16-2019 at 03:29 PM.
Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking) Quote
06-08-2019 , 03:39 PM
Here is the follow-up to the previous post on Short Deck.

The table below presents the tally (pct) of specific winning hole-card hands in 6-max Short Deck. Examples of specific hole-card hands are AdQd, KhJc, 9d9c, etc.

As explained in the previous post, the entries of this table (for a specific hand such as KhJc) are derived directly from the previous table (for the corresponding combo such as KJo). Every unsuited entry of the previous table was divided by 12, every suited entry of the previous table was divided by 4, and every paired entry of the previous table was divided by 6.

Table 4: Tally of 6-Max Short Deck Winning Hands by Specific Starting Hand

1000*Pct__A____K____Q____J____T____9____8____7____6__
A
294
204
191
183
177
155
146
135
124
K
234
259
200
192
188
144
125
117
108
Q
218
225
232
200
197
151
129
109
102
J
214
219
227
217
211
164
140
119
100
T
208
216
225
236
205
181
154
131
111
9
184
174
180
193
205
177
148
132
113
8
175
158
160
169
182
176
162
120
104
7
166
148
141
149
162
163
150
149
91
6
158
140
135
133
143
143
136
123
137

To repeat from above, following poker convention, the "lower triangular" portion of the table consists of suited hands, the "upper triangular" portion of the table consists of unsuited hands, and the "main diagonal" (in bold) of the table consists of the pairs.

The table's first entry of 294 means that 0.294% of all 6-max Short Deck deals were won by a specific AA hand such as AhAc. Also, the 234 entry just below the 294 means that 0.234% of all 6-max Short Deck deals were won by a specific AKs hand such as AdKd. Finally, the 204 entry just to the right of the 294 means that 0.204% of all 6-max Short Deck deals were won by a specific AKo hand such as AhKc.

Presenting the tallies (pcts) at the specific hand level rather than at the combined combo level allows us to see "expected" results such as AKs is preferred to AKo. In addition, pairs are now placed on equal footing with both suited and unsuited starting hands.

The table shows that, according to this simulation, the ten best starting hands in 6-max Short Deck poker are AA, KK, JTs, AKs, QQ, QJs, QTs, KQs, KJs, and AQs. Of course, in this simulation every hand goes to showdown on every deal, so "playability" and other such factors (which may be less critical in Short Deck?) are not taken into account.

The above table illuminates many fascinating elements of Short Deck poker. In general, you can see that pre-flop hand equities are much tighter than in Long Deck. Since ranks are compressed in Short Deck, virtually every hand has a viable chance of making a straight, trips, two pair, or even a full house. Also, since flushes are elevated above full houses in Short Deck, suited connectors take on added value. We saw above that JTs (which I think is the 18th best starting hand in 6-max Long Deck) shoots up to become the 3rd best starting hand in 6-max Short Deck, behind only AA and KK. JTo is also a very good hand in Short Deck due to its many straight possibilities. Other suited connectors which are very strong starting hands in Short Deck include QJs, QTs, KQs, KJs, KTs, and T9s.

Last edited by whosnext; 06-08-2019 at 05:31 PM.
Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking) Quote
01-03-2020 , 11:55 PM
I finally got around to doing a comprehensive NLHE Short Deck starting hand ranking. I pitted each of the 81 starting hands vs five other random hands, with random boards and all hands going to showdown on all deals. (Of course, this is just one way to rank the starting hands.)

I ran 81 separate simulations of one million deals each. In these NLHE Short Deck simulations, a flush beats a full house and a straight beats three of a kind. The results are quite similar to those appearing in the previous post from a simulation of 10 million total deals (with no "control" over which hands occur in any deal).


Table 5: Ranking of 6-Max NLHE Short Deck Starting Hands (vs five random hands)

__Rank__Starting Hand___Tally___
1
AA
310,305
2
KK
272,042
3
QQ
247,000
4
JTs
246,191
5
AKs
240,625
6
QJs
237,712
7
KQs
236,232
8
QTs
233,530
9
KJs
229,397
10
AQs
229,391
11
JJ
228,455
12
KTs
225,697
13
AJs
223,029
14
JTo
221,474
15
ATs
217,509
16
T9s
216,207
17
TT
214,347
18
AKo
214,141
19
QJo
211,283
20
KQo
209,638
21
QTo
207,259
22
KJo
202,643
23
J9s
201,425
24
AQo
200,887
25
KTo
197,548
26
A9s
194,267
27
AJo
193,247
28
T8s
192,857
29
Q9s
190,101
30
T9o
188,192
31
99
187,223
32
ATo
186,806
33
98s
186,266
34
A8s
185,050
35
K9s
182,544
36
J8s
178,943
37
A7s
173,920
38
J9o
172,840
39
97s
170,923
40
T7s
170,368
41
88
170,034
42
Q8s
167,745
43
A6s
163,953
44
K8s
163,504
45
T8o
162,618
46
A9o
161,968
47
Q9o
158,649
48
87s
157,542
49
J7s
157,398
50
K7s
156,105
51
98o
155,872
52
77
155,095
53
96s
152,514
54
A8o
151,680
55
K9o
151,017
56
T6s
149,715
57
K6s
149,548
58
Q7s
149,434
59
J8o
147,332
60
66
143,811
61
86s
142,782
62
Q6s
141,473
63
A7o
141,245
64
97o
139,142
65
J6s
138,323
66
T7o
137,584
67
Q8o
135,630
68
K8o
130,038
69
76s
129,726
70
A6o
129,453
71
J7o
124,595
72
87o
124,036
73
K7o
122,030
74
96o
118,591
75
T6o
116,911
76
Q7o
115,497
77
K6o
113,949
78
86o
108,223
79
Q6o
107,746
80
J6o
104,025
81
76o
94,710

The tally for a starting hand reported in the table is the number of the one million NLHE deals (vs five other random hands) which the starting hand won plus 1/N for each deal which the hand is involved with an N-way chop.

One comforting result of this set of 81 simulations is that a starting hand wins "on average" 1/6 of the time vs 5 other random hands. That is, if you properly weight each of the above 81 starting hands (6 for pairs, 4 for suited, and 12 for unsuited), the average equity is 16.6666%, which of course is 1/6.

Now let's arrange these equities into the familiar 9x9 tableau.


Table 6: Equities of 6-Max NLHE Short Deck Starting Hands (vs five random hands)

10*Pct__A____K____Q____J____T____9____8____7____6__
A
310
214
201
193
187
162
152
141
129
K
241
272
210
203
198
151
130
122
114
Q
229
236
247
211
207
159
136
115
108
J
223
229
238
228
221
173
147
125
104
T
218
226
234
246
214
188
163
138
117
9
194
183
190
201
216
187
156
139
119
8
185
164
168
179
193
186
170
124
108
7
174
156
149
157
170
171
158
155
95
6
164
150
141
138
150
153
143
130
144

The table above follows poker convention so that the "lower triangular" portion of the table consists of suited hands, the "upper triangular" portion of the table consists of unsuited hands, and the "main diagonal" (in bold) of the table consists of the pairs.

The first entry in the table (310 for AA) reflects that AA has a 31.0% equity vs five other random hands. 272 for KK means that KK has a 27.2% equity vs five other random hands. 241 for AKs means that AKs has a 24.1% equity vs five other random hands, and so on. From a statistical point of view, since they are based upon a simulation of one million deals these equities should be accurate to within 0.1% (so within 1 using the figures in the table).

We have already discussed how Short Deck "rewards" suited connectors such as JTs, QJs, KQs, QTs, KJs, etc. so I won't belabor the point again.

Last edited by whosnext; 01-05-2020 at 03:36 PM.
Winning Hands in NLHE Short Deck vs Long Deck Poker (Starting Hands Ranking) Quote

      
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