Hi, can someone inform me how my EV is calculated from this hand :

PokerStars Hand #193280814463: Tournament #2454861904, $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2018/11/13 9:01:18 ET
Table '2454861904 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DIKII PERM (3445 in chips)
Seat 2: BillieDanger (1567 in chips)
Seat 3: 9thanos9 (1818 in chips)
Seat 5: frapr13 (1284 in chips)
Seat 6: Examinator20 (886 in chips)
DIKII PERM: posts the ante 4
BillieDanger: posts the ante 4
9thanos9: posts the ante 4
frapr13: posts the ante 4
Examinator20: posts the ante 4
frapr13: posts small blind 15
Examinator20: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BillieDanger [Kc As]
DIKII PERM: raises 30 to 60
BillieDanger: raises 1503 to 1563 and is all-in
9thanos9: folds
frapr13: folds
Examinator20: folds
DIKII PERM: calls 1503
*** FLOP *** [8c 4d 3s]
*** TURN *** [8c 4d 3s] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [8c 4d 3s 2c] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DIKII PERM: shows [Ac 4c] (a flush, Ace high)
BillieDanger: shows [Kc As] (high card Ace)
DIKII PERM collected 3191 from pot
BillieDanger finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3191 | Rake 0
Board [8c 4d 3s 2c Qc]
Seat 1: DIKII PERM showed [Ac 4c] and won (3191) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: BillieDanger showed [Kc As] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: 9thanos9 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: frapr13 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Examinator20 (big blind) folded before Flop

I read somewhere that EV = %W*W - ( %L*L)

so I plugged in via https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-too...r/texas-holdem

and AK has 67.4% chance of winning against 27.93%

is it EV = 0.674*3191 (the size of the pot?) -0.2793*1503 (what I can loose (since my BB is already out there not a part of what im risking?))

= 2150,73 - 419,78
= 1730,95 ?

or is my W (size of the pot) not the right W ?

Your W is incorrect, since you included your raise as part of the winnings. If you win the hand you win the blinds, antes and opponent's bets plus previous bets of yours, which comes to 1598, I believe.

Also, since this is a tournament, a better analysis for an all-in bet would be to use $EV based on the prize structure rather than chip EV by applying the ICM model, where your equity is adjusted to account for stack sizes through what has been termed the bubble factor, popularized in the book Kill Everyone. What results is that you need higher equity in a tournament than for a cash game, the reason being that a fold in a cash game has zero EV while for a tournament EV of a fold is greater than zero.

Thank you for your input, so in the above example, i'm still trying to figure this out where did you get 1598, isn't it

EV = %W*W - (%L*L)

Hero [As Kc] vs Villain [Ac 4c]

pot is 6*4 (ante) + 15(sb) + 30(bb) + villain raise 60 = 129

we shove for 1563 so W = 129 + 1503 (our raise which he then calls) = 1632

EV = %W * W - (%L*L)

%W = 0.674
W = 1632
%L = 0.2793
L = 1563 (our starting stack (minus ante)

EV = 0.674*1632 - 0.2793*1563
= 1099,968 - 436,5459
= 663,4221

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another hand if you would care to take a look for me:
PokerStars Hand #193505941206: Tournament #2459649279, $0.02+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (300/600) - 2018/11/19 9:31:27 ET
Table '2459649279 75' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: gtianev (6020 in chips)
Seat 2: Nomad857 (2175 in chips)
Seat 3: kerqing (5730 in chips)
Seat 4: saturninohb (1590 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: nik.s216 (7250 in chips)
Seat 6: odko0707 (1275 in chips)
Seat 8: BillieDanger (3020 in chips)
Seat 9: amcagasenjo (1595 in chips)
gtianev: posts the ante 120
Nomad857: posts the ante 120
kerqing: posts the ante 120
saturninohb: posts the ante 120
nik.s216: posts the ante 120
odko0707: posts the ante 120
BillieDanger: posts the ante 120
amcagasenjo: posts the ante 120
odko0707: posts small blind 300
BillieDanger: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BillieDanger [Qd 8c]
amcagasenjo: folds
gtianev: raises 600 to 1200
Nomad857: folds
kerqing: folds
saturninohb: folds
nik.s216: folds
odko0707: calls 855 and is all-in
BillieDanger: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [5s 7s 9d]
BillieDanger: bets 1700 and is all-in
gtianev: calls 1700
*** TURN *** [5s 7s 9d] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [5s 7s 9d 3h] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BillieDanger: shows [Qd 8c] (high card Queen)
gtianev: shows [Td Ah] (high card Ace)
gtianev collected 3490 from side pot
odko0707: shows [Qh 5d] (a pair of Fives)
odko0707 collected 4425 from main pot
BillieDanger finished the tournament in 258th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7915 Main pot 4425. Side pot 3490. | Rake 0
Board [5s 7s 9d 3h 2d]
Seat 1: gtianev showed [Td Ah] and won (3490) with high card Ace
Seat 2: Nomad857 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kerqing folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: saturninohb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: nik.s216 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: odko0707 (small blind) showed [Qh 5d] and won (4425) with a pair of Fives
Seat 8: BillieDanger (big blind) showed [Qd 8c] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 9: amcagasenjo folded before Flop (didn't bet)

so here I don't go all-in preflop and this is 3way

Hero [Qd 8c] vs Villain1 [Td Ah] vs Villain2 [Qh 5d]

pot preflop is 8*120(ante) + 300(sb) + 600(bb) + 1200 (villain1 raise) + 855(villain 2 calls allin preflop) + 600(hero call from bb) = 4515

flop is [ 5s 7s 9d ] and I stop and go / donk shove 1700 all-in

Hero [Qd 8c] = 26,91%
Villain1 [Ah Td] = 23,36%
Villain2 [Qh 5d] = 49,17%

EV = %W*W - (%L*L)
so W in this case would be 4515+1700 ? = 6215 and L = 1700 (my stacksize after the flop?)
= 0.2691*6215 - 0.7309*1700
= 1672,4565 - 1242,53
= 429,96


Basically is the L always my stacksize at the point that I go allin (what im risking to win this pot), but im still trying to get my head around the W I guess..

edit: that 2nd hand has to be wrong, how can that be a plus EV 429 ..

edit2: or what ? I do have a gutshot and 2 live cards so it might not be crazy ?

and currently im just interested in all-in EV vs Tchips since i'm developing a graph for a poker hud and am just trying to get to the correct formula Thx

Basically that Qd 8c hand happened somewhere here

https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo/...d=501317824225

so I don't see where EV could be 430 and I loose 3k chips ..

edit: has to be hand 80 since i loose just more than 3k chips there, but there my EV is negative 630 or so