Just FYI, "Shove-A-Rooni" is not binding. - Poker Card Room

Learned that the hard way at the local card room.

They were nice about it though, but because I didn't put all my chips in in one motion afterwards (thinking it was obvious) it was technically a string bet, and if the floor had been called, they would have ruled against me.

Quote

07-03-2017 , 04:02 PM

youtalkfunny

dumbest smart person his mom knows

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 21,758

I'm dealing the other night. Preflop, action is on Headphones Man. He establishes eye contact with me; holds out a thumbs up; lifts his thumb towards the ceiling three times; and tosses out a single over-sized chip.

I announce "raise".

But if someone had asked for a ruling, and the floor said "It's a call," I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Quote

07-03-2017 , 04:13 PM

PAhoser

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 496

I'd rule the OP a string bet most likely (non standard terminology), and ytf's a raise. I've dealt to many people who aren't fluent in English, and that is one of the ways you'll see them communicate a raise. Headphones is taking a risk doing it, and I won't be sorry to see it go haywire on him.

Quote

07-03-2017 , 10:13 PM

FlyLikeABird

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,679

Stop being a tool and just shove your chips in

Quote

07-04-2017 , 03:47 AM

Phil9

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,608

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyLikeABird

Stop being a tool and just shove your chips in

"All-in" is an option too.

Quote

07-04-2017 , 04:05 AM

WereBeer

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,700

I always say 'I'm all in' or 'Raise - all in', in a clear voice, speaking directly at the dealer, before moving my chips in. I don't want to screw myself out of a big pot.

Quote

07-04-2017 , 06:37 AM

venice10

Referee

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,855

Sounds like dealer hates money. Did anyone else at the table object to your all in?

Quote

07-04-2017 , 06:51 AM

steamraise

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,892

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianBoyko

and if the floor had been called

It's likely he would have ruled it an all-in.

Quote

07-04-2017 , 08:06 AM

Phil9

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,608

Quote:

Originally Posted by venice10

Sounds like dealer hates money. Did anyone else at the table object to your all in?

Or is properly doing his job.

Quote

07-04-2017 , 01:14 PM

#10

venice10

Referee

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,855

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil9

Or is properly doing his job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by venice10

Sounds like the room management hates money.

FMP.

Nothing kills loose action and people sticking around longer than eliminating any fun especially when the player's intent is obvious. I'm pretty sure that if there is another alternative to playing other that the room in question, the OP isn't going back.

Quote

07-04-2017 , 01:31 PM

#11

madlex

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 17,446

The intent of the player is to go all-in and there's 0 chance another player at the table might not get that.

Ruling on a technicality in an otherwise very clear case would certainly not be in the best interest of the game unless the card room is in Nofuntown and every single person involved is a villager.

Quote

07-04-2017 , 02:27 PM

#12

ZOMG_RIGGED!

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 17,504

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil9

"All-in-a-rooni" is an option too.

If he still wants to still be cool while being technical

Quote

07-04-2017 , 10:01 PM

#13

Dominic

Tripod

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 74,272

I wonder if "skippity-bippity-push" is.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 07:11 AM

#14

Phil9

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,608

Quote:

Originally Posted by venice10

Rules such as proper verbiage in stating your intention are there for a reason. I'm sure far more players would end up not going back when players start angle-shooting and supervisors show signs of favoritism towards regulars in a room that allows action to stand or not stand based on assumptions of intention.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 07:38 AM

#15

snowman

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,748

2 weeks ago
guy with head phones on makes a sweeping motion with one hand
several times
dealer announces all in and a quick call by next player.
headphones then takes them off and says he meant , take my cards
I fold.
held up the game for 20 minutes
floor called, everyone at table had to voice their 2 cents.
my 2 cents was one of those sweeping motions could have tossed his cards to the muck, So to me its an all-in.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 08:33 AM

#16

albedoa

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,392

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil9

Rules such as proper verbiage in stating your intention are there for a reason.

Right, and the player who uses improper verbiage should be warned and subsequently penalized if he continues to use it. Those steps should be taken here. "The player is all-in. Please use correct verbiage going forward."

Quote:

I'm sure far more players would end up not going back when players start angle-shooting and supervisors show signs of favoritism towards regulars in a room that allows action to stand or not stand based on assumptions of intention.

lol none of that is going to happen just because a floorperson correctly interprets a phrase that has exactly one interpretation.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 12:01 PM

#17

THEOSU

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 11,554

Quote:

Originally Posted by madlex

Every room has rules nits as dealers ("I already dealt the first card, your straddle isn't live!") and Lord knows there are plenty of floors that just don't want to deal with that dealer and just generally rule with them.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 01:15 PM

#18

chillrob

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 20,981

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowman

Guy sounds like a d-bag, but he could have also easily put chips in with a sweeping motion, so no way this should have been an all in.

I'd say the dealer should have slowly mucked his hand after the second motion.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 02:56 PM

#19

sactownjoey

adept

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 853

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowman

What did the floor rule?

Why couldn't dealer say, "are you saying you are all-in?"

Quote

07-05-2017 , 03:11 PM

#20

madlex

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 17,446

Quote:

Originally Posted by sactownjoey

Why couldn't dealer say, "are you saying you are all-in?"

Because the dealer confirming the action would be too easy.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 05:59 PM

#21

LifeRebooted

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 594

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil9

Let me know if you need to borrow some rock-climbing gear.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 08:19 PM

#22

Woej10

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 297

Quote:

Originally Posted by chillrob

Yup. That's what I would have said as well.

Quote

07-05-2017 , 09:11 PM

#23

Bene Gesserit

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6,365

Simply using complicated verbalizations like " I raise " or "I call" might eliminate most misunderstandings of intent and minimize loss of value or even whole pots from time to time. Of course that would not look as cool as throwing in a single chip silently, or witty declarations like "Shove a rooni"! I get that.

Quote

07-06-2017 , 03:19 AM

#24

Aurora Tom

adept

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,167

I got to rule today in a tournament that someone saying "ship it!" while putting in his stack of purples that equaled a little more than a min-raise was not an all-in. He complained and I said I don't know what that means as a bet. The only time I've ever heard that in poker is when someone has already WON the pot. Unfortunately, the other player in the hand took the opportunity to go all in himself when facing the min-raise and the pot did end up getting shipped to the idiot. At least he didn't come in the money.