Ugh. With the caveat that room rules trump all, an RRoP based ruling would be that B's hand is live because it was tabled, and not as a result of IWTSTH from the otherwise-winner.
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Originally Posted by Eeyorefora
As played,hand is dead, flashing cards is not a
No, you cannot kill a tabled hand. In general, if a hand makes it to showdown, and gets tabled, it is still live, even if player attempted to muck first.
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Originally Posted by Rawlz517
If he's possession of his cards, I agree, but once he throws his cards face down he's no longer getting the benefit of the doubt.
Pot to A, KITN to dealer.
What does "benefit of the doubt" mean?
Once the hand is tabled, it is live. Whether or not he threw his cards down/forward (at showdown) first.
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Originally Posted by venice10
I'd start looking for another room to play in. Clearly the floor doesn't understand the "one player to a hand" rule either.
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Originally Posted by answer20
Players at the table can only assist with hand reading once the hand has been tabled, not 'in sight' or flashed. We've seen threads like this where even the rail will call something out and .... let the glaring begin for speaking out of turn.
Even if OPTAH is violated, which is debatable anyway if dealer is the one to do it, the person punished is the one who tells the player with a hand to table it. You do not penalize the player who received help. (Unless he actively asked for help somehow, which is a rarity, and surely doesn't apply here). Hand is live.
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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove
I am assuming that the floor meant that if another player announced the hand, and then the orginal player retrieved his identifiable cards and tabled them. Another player cannot kill your hand by violating OPTAH.
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Originally Posted by Didace
Nothing about OPTAH says a had should be killed.
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Originally Posted by Bene Gesserit
Well likely the next floor would rule the hand live cause it was not actually mucked , even though the dealer was out of line. Best hand wins.
Yes, absolutely correct.
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
player A still gets the pot, it was a good ruling.
If anyone else had spoke up and told the guy to table the full house and he does, he would likely win the hand and the player who violated OPTAH would get a warning. But if a player says "You won" and he then turns his cards face up after being mucked face down, player A should still win.
There is no RRoP rule which support this view that it matters who spoke up, who tabled the hand, whether it was mucked face down. It is a live hand once it is tabled.