@ approximately 40:50 eli gives off two false tells and one real tell whilst value betting his three of a kind fives ace kicker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xW6hf5knk


any guesses?

Weak toss of the $25 K chip, hiding behind hands, in a praying gesture.

What's your take?

hand in front of mouth is supposed to mean you are telling a lie, which in this case would mean bluffing. that's a false tell, and I think it's a deliberate one and I think, while Dwan is tanking, that he picks up on this false tell, because right before Dwan finally folds Eli consciously does it again. the second false tell is that he is not protecting his cards at all. Usually a good hand is protected (gripped) and often tightly. Caro says 'often you can tell how good the hand is by how strongly it is protected'.

The real tell is the 25k chip. Higher denomination chips are viewed subconsciously as more valuable. You bet with the high denom chip when you expect to get it back.

Interesting takeaway, thanks!

[QUOTE=OmahaFanatical4;49352342]@ approximately 40:50 eli gives off two false tells and one real tell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xW6hf5knk

I think you're wrong--it's true he usually folds his left hand over the right when he's strong about 60% of the time, but on this particular broadcast, Eli Elezra folded his hands in a maddeningly unpredictable way over the course of seven hours--if you thought you caught something on this particular hand it's because he wanted you to catch it.

I'm not sure what year this is, but Tom and Eli have a huge history with Tom basically running Eli over in the beginning IMO.

1) I don't really do too much with the hand over hand position. I think its more if hands are interlocked or actually in the 'vertical' prayer position. This is definitely something I would want history with the player in order to put it to use. I think a player is more apt to be strong when both hands are covering up. I think a 'swiping' hand, whether to mouth, ear, neck, nose or head , is much better indicator of a weak hand.

2) The toss of a chip(s) is a bit care free .. a bit "I'll take it if you don't want it" type of bet. The fact that it's an over-bet is a bigger issue with me and I don't think Eli would bet so much in fear of getting raised by an in-position Dwan (which has happened plenty over the years) without a strong hand .. better than 8x for sure. It's also a sign of a player who didn't get any value from the Turn when Dwan didn't bet out.

3) One thing I did see was that Eli's eyes seemed to quickly dart away from Tom when he 'checked' to see what Tom was doing. This could go either way, but I think that this could be the reverse tell of looking weak when strong.

You'll also notice that Eli dropped his hands when it looked like Tom was going to fold, then he put them back when it still looked like Tom was going to fold. He was trying to do whatever he needed to do to get the call. I think Tom's issue here is why wouldn't Eli have protected against the flush draw on the Turn if he indeed did have a strong hand

4) Eli has never really been someone to protect his cards very much IMO. GL

42:07 , pursing of the lips on a side, spot on tell that tries to show weakness, like he is not happy with dwan thinking about calling.

42:37 Eli picks up chips and plays with them ,usually a defying gravity tell that signals strong hand. Out of context not so important, in this overbetting/pursing of lips context very important.

I disagree with this, because many players (including me) make all bets and calls with higher denomination chips.

The mouth and the chip, yea ... but those things so often mean their normal opposite among world class players you can almost count on it.

Side point: That exact style tank then raise (when holding a much better hand) by Dwan is devastating. Reeeal curveball.

With amateur players, I often see the hand over the mouth when a player is trying cover up a huge smile because they have a monster. I often try to say something with just a little humour behind it. They often can not contain their happiness and let it out.

One player I play against will always laugh at my minor/subtle attempt at humour. Next he will then take a drink. All I have to say is something like, "you sneaky SOB snake in the grass." This allows him to let down his guard and show his huge smile.