Showing opponent you are about to call - Poker Card Room

Two Plus Two Forums Live Poker Casino & Cardroom Poker

Showing opponent you are about to call

Post Reply Subscribe

...

06-20-2016 , 06:37 AM

OmahaDonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,901

Opponent is reasonably smart but can easily be leveled. I think he thinks I'm always being honest with him, which is almost always true (we can argue the morality of lying to someone you don't like personally.)

On the river I check. We've been talking throughout the hand, mostly me asking him how he's feeling. He knows I don't like him but the truth is he's not as terrible a person as I pretend he is

.

He has 170 behind. He grabs 125 and I quickly grab 125 and show it to him. He grabs 25 more, and so do I. Finally he grabs it all and shoves. What should I do?

Quote

06-20-2016 , 11:41 PM

madlex

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 17,393

Acting like you are going to call is a pretty strong tell that you don't want the other guy to bet.

What should you do? Call if you are going to win at showdown, fold if you are going to lose at showdown..

Quote

06-21-2016 , 05:15 AM

OmahaDonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,901

Assume I beat all his bluffs and none of his value.

Quote

06-21-2016 , 11:14 AM

Benat

journeyman

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 307

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

Assume I beat all his bluffs and none of his value.

Well if he thinks you are honest and always gonna call then he has to have a value hand does he not?

Quote

06-21-2016 , 11:18 AM

OmahaDonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,901

That's what I thought so I folded.

Quote

06-22-2016 , 10:14 AM

SpewingIsMyMove

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 3,529

Players posturing while I am considering my action (making a show of how big their chips are, and how eager they are to get those chips into the pot) are a moderately reliable weakness tell. That is fine if you were leveling, and preening with actual strength. But against a decent player, this is a pretty poor way of showing strength. In my opinion, against a decent player, your actions adds a few more bluffs to his range.

Quote

06-22-2016 , 12:30 PM

OmahaDonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,901

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove

That's reasonable too

You're probably right in most situations like this, but I don't think he thinks I'm stupid enough to always use a tell straightforwardly.

Quote

06-22-2016 , 01:42 PM

AALegend

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,074

The reason that kind of confusing action on your part is bad is because you are leveling yourself more than you are leveling the villain (since you are the one making the ultimate decision if the villain does bet).

Quote

06-22-2016 , 02:05 PM

OmahaDonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,901

I couldn't call, I was just seeing what would happen and trying to figure out what it meant.

Quote

06-23-2016 , 01:05 PM

#10

Benat

journeyman

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 307

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

That's reasonable too

You're probably right in most situations like this, but I don't think he thinks I'm stupid enough to always use a tell straightforwardly.

In the op you said he always thinks you're being honest with him, which one is it?

Quote

06-23-2016 , 01:21 PM

#11

OmahaDonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,901

Being honest when I speak, obviously. Theatricality and deception are powerful agents.

Quote

06-23-2016 , 01:59 PM

#12

Benat

journeyman

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 307

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benat

Well if he thinks you are honest and always gonna call then he has to have a value hand does he not?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

That's what I thought so I folded.

Well how does my reply make sense?

Quote

06-23-2016 , 08:46 PM

#13

OmahaDonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,901

I'm sure it does to you

Quote

06-24-2016 , 02:51 PM

#14

Benat

journeyman

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 307

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benat

Well if he thinks you are honest and always gonna call then he has to have a value hand does he not?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

That's what I thought so I folded.

Yes but how can you agree with me on this ^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

Being honest when I speak, obviously. Theatricality and deception are powerful agents.

But think this simultaneously? ^^

Quote

06-24-2016 , 02:55 PM

#15

Benat

journeyman

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 307

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

That's reasonable too

You're probably right in most situations like this, but I don't think he thinks I'm stupid enough to always use a tell straightforwardly.

Oh dam I forgot to add this hehe! But you see what I'm saying?

You can't claim he always thinks you're honest but at the same time say "I'm testing to see if he thinks I'm full of crap"

Tell me what I'm missing

Quote

06-24-2016 , 05:50 PM

#16

madlex

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 17,393

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

That's reasonable too

You're probably right in most situations like this, but I don't think he thinks I'm stupid enough to always use a tell straightforwardly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

I couldn't call, I was just seeing what would happen and trying to figure out what it meant.

That's the thing. Everybody is always like "they couldn't use that tell because they don't know if I was just faking it" but in reality they are honest with it the majority of time.

Quote

06-24-2016 , 06:20 PM

#17

SpewingIsMyMove

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 3,529

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

That's reasonable too

You're probably right in most situations like this, but I don't think he thinks I'm stupid enough to always use a tell straightforwardly.

I am not saying you used a tell, I am saying that your actions were a tell. As soon as he showed strength, you folded, indicating that your posturing was, in fact, a tell.

Quote

07-01-2016 , 01:14 PM

#18

answer20

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 10,844

I don't see this very much, but when I see a guy this interested in showing me he is going to call he is VERY interested in just a showdown and I tend to increase my bet.

I have a few regs that will 'suggest' my bet size by grabbing some chips before action is on them. I don't want to say this is collusion, but it sure smells of it since they are really telling me to keep it small .. they got this one and lets work on the rest of the table not just our stacks!! GL

Quote

07-02-2016 , 03:51 AM

#19

OmahaDonk

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,901

I am honest in what I say but am certainly allowed to use deception..

Quote

07-08-2016 , 07:24 AM

#20

WharfRat1976

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 199

I prefer the fake like you are going to muck your cards move 4 players before it's your turn to act....then shove with the nuts when everyone calls😊

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...