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11-20-2020 , 07:50 PM
I got this idea years ago but never tried it. Usually a player says "deal me out," when they go to the restroom or decide to eat. This one player did it a lot and I wondered if we could say "deal me out" just to change the cards dealt to players. I understand you will lose a free hand, but sometimes I just want to sit out just because. Is there a rule on sitting out 1 hand every so often, that does not involve going to the restroom or eating? Thanks
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11-20-2020 , 09:24 PM
There is a lot wrong with this premise
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11-20-2020 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by W0900418
if we could say "deal me out"
Happens a lot.

Usually a grumpy player who just lost a pot.

I toss him an out button and say give this back when you want a hand.
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11-20-2020 , 10:26 PM
Sure, I don't see why not. You aren't forced to play, you are allowed to sit out imo.
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11-20-2020 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
Happens a lot.

Usually a grumpy player who just lost a pot.

I toss him an out button and say give this back when you want a hand.
That's my whole point, sit out every so often regularly, like 1 hand. When the deck is ready to be dealt, ask to be dealt out. In my mind I think I am switching up the game because the players get different cards that they would of gotten if I sat in.
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11-20-2020 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by W0900418
That's my whole point, sit out every so often regularly, like 1 hand. When the deck is ready to be dealt, ask to be dealt out. In my mind I think I am switching up the game because the players get different cards that they would of gotten if I sat in.
...to what end though?
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11-20-2020 , 10:42 PM
Ruleswise, of course you can be dealt out. (Though as a possible exception, I can imagine some rooms/games that deal a hand to every eligible seat until they miss a blind would be required to deal you a hand and then fold it for you.)

"Changing the cards" wise, there are whole branches of philosophy and physics that try to grapple with the question. The card order is random already, you changing it again just makes it a different kind of random. Maybe the same player wins the next hand either way, maybe not. Maybe you sitting out that hand now makes it so you're going to get cold decked even worse for the rest of the night. Maybe not. Yes, you're changing the future, but in a way that isn't predictable, deterministic, or in any way quantifiable. Do it if it makes you feel better somehow, or if you need time to change your mood, but you're not actually "doing" anything constructive to anyone in any other physical way.
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11-20-2020 , 11:00 PM
I used to sit out one hand per hour for deck adjustments, but now I just arrive ten minutes later than I had planned. That covers the first five hours and is easier than keeping track.
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11-21-2020 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dinesh
Ruleswise, of course you can be dealt out. (Though as a possible exception, I can imagine some rooms/games that deal a hand to every eligible seat until they miss a blind would be required to deal you a hand and then fold it for you.)

"Changing the cards" wise, there are whole branches of philosophy and physics that try to grapple with the question. The card order is random already, you changing it again just makes it a different kind of random. Maybe the same player wins the next hand either way, maybe not. Maybe you sitting out that hand now makes it so you're going to get cold decked even worse for the rest of the night. Maybe not. Yes, you're changing the future, but in a way that isn't predictable, deterministic, or in any way quantifiable. Do it if it makes you feel better somehow, or if you need time to change your mood, but you're not actually "doing" anything constructive to anyone in any other physical way.

Just a thought, if casinos were or are rigged with a shuffle machine and house players, doing this messes with everybody's hand right?
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11-21-2020 , 02:46 AM
I mean, you can, but why would you? Unless you know what the shufflemaster is doing (in which case, there are WAY better ways to use that skill), no one benefits from it. You just hurt yourself in the off chance a bad beat happens.
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11-21-2020 , 07:01 AM
Does the OP know that the deck is shuffled every hand?

If a room was cheating in that method, they would simply turn off the cheating switch while you were out and turn it back on when you were in.
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11-21-2020 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by W0900418
Just a thought, if casinos were or are rigged with a shuffle machine and house players, doing this messes with everybody's hand right?
At best it would work for only the hand you're sitting out. Or it would do nothing whatsoever if there's a way to communicate to the shuffler how many are in the hand. The chance of casino cheating is microscopic anyway. They make plenty of money playing fair and cheating would risk lawsuits, fines, loss of their gambling license, etc.

Sitting out does absolutely nothing to benefit you with respect to changing the cards. Random cards are random cards. You're just wasting a free hand.
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11-21-2020 , 12:43 PM
And they say poker is dying.

Butterfly effect is probably THE best offshoot of "Is Poker Rigger"
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11-21-2020 , 02:06 PM
Honestly, OP is dumb.

Lock this up.
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11-21-2020 , 03:15 PM
Do you also believe that third base is responsible for whether or not the dealer busts?

Do you also believe that asking for a wash changes the 'luck' of the cards?

Do you also believe that on certain days, certain hands will hit more frequently?

Look, sit out a hand if you are steaming and need to get your head right. But sitting out a hand to change the cards...this is just not a serious idea.
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11-21-2020 , 03:16 PM
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And they say poker is dying.

Butterfly effect is probably THE best offshoot of "Is Poker Rigger"
Never much cared for Ashton Kutcher
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11-21-2020 , 03:52 PM
OP might get more comforting advice by sitting at a blackjack table...

I seriously had this conversation while playing blackjack when a guy got mad at me for hitting with like 12 when the Dealer had a T showing. He claimed that I "ruined the deck for him". I then said "I guess you aren't a math teacher." When he said that yes he taught math in high school I don't think I actually could stop myself from laughing.

The only thing I will add is that if OP believes that sitting out a hand will bring him luck when he has been unlucky then I would strongly urge OP to sit out the hand. If you can make it the hand where you are UTG then so much the better. No not so that you will actually get better cards (that will be random as has been mentioned before). But as long as OP is playing like he thinks he will win, it will absolutely improve his game on subsequent hands.

In a study (done in Germany I believe) when superstitious people do something that they think will help their luck, the outcomes for those people, it turns out, are more favorable. Think Placebos...

This is why when players start talking about a "hot seat" I always switch to that seat using my seat change button. Not so that my luck will change. Its so the 3 or 4 people who think I am now in the "hot seat" will believe me when I bluff.
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11-21-2020 , 08:10 PM
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OP might get more comforting advice by sitting at a blackjack table...

I seriously had this conversation while playing blackjack when a guy got mad at me for hitting with like 12 when the Dealer had a T showing. He claimed that I "ruined the deck for him". I then said "I guess you aren't a math teacher." When he said that yes he taught math in high school I don't think I actually could stop myself from laughing.

The only thing I will add is that if OP believes that sitting out a hand will bring him luck when he has been unlucky then I would strongly urge OP to sit out the hand. If you can make it the hand where you are UTG then so much the better. No not so that you will actually get better cards (that will be random as has been mentioned before). But as long as OP is playing like he thinks he will win, it will absolutely improve his game on subsequent hands.

In a study (done in Germany I believe) when superstitious people do something that they think will help their luck, the outcomes for those people, it turns out, are more favorable. Think Placebos...

This is why when players start talking about a "hot seat" I always switch to that seat using my seat change button. Not so that my luck will change. Its so the 3 or 4 people who think I am now in the "hot seat" will believe me when I bluff.
I had this argument quite a bit, once with a very smart guy (my boss at the time) who was also a math major (as was I).

He stated that hitting inappropriately could use up the dealers bust cards. I told him to visualize spreading the deck, and then asked him if there was any difference, from a probability standpoint, between any of the cards spread out in front of him. Did any particular card have a higher likelihood of being a bust card than the other. If not, then why did it matter what card the dealer got?

I never could convince him that an unknown card is exactly the same as any other unknown card.
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11-21-2020 , 09:05 PM
How can a math major not get this stuff?

Makes me feel like it was a good choice to skip college.
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11-22-2020 , 11:28 AM
What about sitting out your big blind when the kill is on and buying the button the next hand?
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11-22-2020 , 04:47 PM
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Do you also believe that third base is responsible for whether or not the dealer busts?
Playing third base poorly is one of my favorite pastimes. Would only recommend this at small stakes or else you might actually be murdered.

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What about sitting out your big blind when the kill is on and buying the button the next hand?
I think the standard rule is the kill money goes into the next pot whether you are dealt in or not.
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11-22-2020 , 04:57 PM
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Never much cared for Ashton Kutcher
Lol I actually like that movie.
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11-22-2020 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KL03
Playing third base poorly is one of my favorite pastimes. Would only recommend this at small stakes or else you might actually be murdered.



I think the standard rule is the kill money goes into the next pot whether you are dealt in or not.
I recommend doing it poorly only at small stakes or it may be very expensive.
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11-23-2020 , 04:36 AM
If you sit out, is more likely that the next hand will be a trainwreck and someone will go bust.
Then when you go back in, it is more likely that you will get hit with a bad beat.
It is best to leave for 30 minutes and get a sandwich. This will not affect the cards because people will think you are going to eat.
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11-23-2020 , 08:41 AM
There's no rule about sitting out .. EXCEPT when in the blinds when 'required' to put chips in the middle. That's the game and that's how you hold your seat at the table .. pay the piper when the Button comes around.

It's almost impossible to not hear stories/theories from folks who want to ignore short term negative trends in lieu of the true random nature of the games. They also forget when it went their way 'that one time'.

I won a $750 HH when a guy got up to go to the bathroom and it hit 'that' hand. I found him and tossed a chip his way once I got paid out.

I hardly play table games, but I got a free bet and played a hand of BJ with it. At this table there was a bonus if the Dealer busted using 4 or more cards (maybe 5). Well, the Dealer busted with 6 cards and another Player won over $800 on the bonuses .. tossed me a green chip!

I've experienced 'immediate' changes in how I'm running after a Dealer change since they shuffle and cut the cards differently.

But it's all random, our mind grasps at trends and wants to run with them .. which will probably lead us away from our optimal game play.

YES <<<< Sitting out a hand will change the deck, but there's no attachment to 'for better' to the change, only the one 'random' change you created.

I was watching an Ultimate Texas Hold'em table and a guy was running bad. He told the Dealer he wanted to change the deck so he sat out a hand .. one hand. Well, they use two decks at the table and he insisted to the other Players that he changed 'everything' by sitting out that one hand. He announced he had a Masters in Math three times. Sorry sir .. but your thinking is flawed.

How can the Roulette wheel go red 11 of 14 times and then after a Dealer change or another Player sits down (causing a longer time between spins) it suddenly goes 'all' black?

This is not a place to come looking for 'cause and effect' ... GL
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