I see in a lot of threads people saying that the situation wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a 1-chip call rule. It comes from multiple people and not just 1 guy. What is everyone's problem with the 1-chip call rule?

Just to be clear, I assume we are talking about a player throwing in $1 to signify a call when facing a $500 bet and not an oversized chip being ruled as a call. No one dispute the latter while some people have problems with the former.

The basic reasoning for not liking an undersized 1-chip call rule is that it avoids any sort of ambiguity about whether the caller had a gross misunderstanding of the size of the bet being called.

If people like it because it speeds up the game, its not going to speed up a hand against me because I am in the habit of always verifying that it is a call before tabling my hand because I may play somewhere else where that isn't a rule and I prefer to be in the habit of acting in a way which holds up under various rule sets.

No.problems here at all....throwing any chip(s) in at all signifies a call (unless it's an obvious raise of course)..so one is enough.

Personally I may clarify if I have any doubts about the player, the action, or the dealers competence/attention level. But generally a call is call no matter how many chips the player throws out.

There is no one chip call rule.

Instead there is the under call must be corrected rule.

1 chip to call opens you up to the caller claiming they didn't understand the size of the bet after the hands have been revealed. In most places the floor is going to rule it a call anyway and in the rare event the caller refuses to pay up the casino will typically ban him but can't force him to pay otherwise.

I don't have much of a problem with it in practice as long as the amount bet/called is clear. If I'm shoving or betting a possibly confusing amount I will make sure the caller knows the amount before I table my hand.

I am opposed to any physical action that is not consistent with the action being offered or declared (whether it is a single chip call, a single chip shove, someone declaring a verbal bet then putting out a different amount to make change easier, etc.) These are avoidable situations that can cause confusion or allow angling.

While I think it could speed up the game a bit if people used it like I do, when you are calling with a high likelihood of a winner and save the time of cutting out all the chips needed to call an awkward size.

Most who do it just seem to prefer calling that way for reasons I dont fully understand. Its possible that psychologically it encourages more loose river calls, and if so I like it.

It does open up to some angles or confusion. The biggest one I see is the chip riffling when contemplating a call and one or two chips gets away and rolls toward the pot. Is that a call? So far it has never been ruled a call but it often gives the player some info depending on how the bettor reacted. And it could absolutely be done intentionally as an angle.

Various '1 chip' situations (and mix in the 50% rule too) ... I think the issue is that players can get them mixed up.

1) 1 'under-sized' silent chip flip facing a bet .. with or without chips already out
2) 1 'over-sized' silent chip flip facing a bet .. with or without chips already out (and with or without pulling any chips back if there are chips out) ..
3) 1 silent flip when making an 'opening' bet ..
4) 1 'any' size chip 'verifying' a verbal declaration ..

Side Note: I was watching EPT last week and a player raised from SB and they wouldn't let him pull his SB back even though he put out his 'bet' and pulled back the SB in one motion .. had to stay out there. GL

This post is pretty comprehensive but I'd point out one additional thing: almost everyone agrees that in some cases the "one chip call" or "undersized chip call" rule speeds up the game and in other cases it causes confusion. The main disagreement is how often and how much it speeds up yhe game versus how often and how much it causes confusion.

I'm firmly on the side that it causes more trouble than it's worth.

1. On a practical level, most people tank before making a call of that magnitude. So it's silly to tank for 30 seconds and then save half a second by throwing out one chip instead of a stack.

2. The heterogeneity of rules around yhe country make this rule an angleshooter's paradise. Someone playing where they know the rule is not enforced can easily angle someone who doesn't know the rule or doesn't know whether it's enforced.

3. Simply put, good players shouldn't often be calling with hands they think will win a huge percentage of the time. If you're calling with a 90% confidence that you're good, you should be raising.

4. It's not that hard to push chips forward. Unless you have tiny hands, you can easily push 3-5 stacks of 20 forward, and with basic practice push 10-15. Most bets will be well under 3 stacks.

I'd probably more in favor of the rule in two scenarios:

A. People throw out one chip and then immediately reach for the exact count. That is, their intent really is to save time, vs to be lazy.

B. People fastroll immediately afterwards, for example, someone shoves into you while you have the nuts. Again, in that limited scenario, I can readily buy the argument that one chip saves time.

I used to think there were no problems with it. But that assumed minimal competence from the people playing the game. I should have realized we're dealing with poker players.

The problem is sometimes people throw in one or a small number of chips, see that they've lost, then refuse to put the rest in. It happened to me once in a cash game and have heard tales of people getting away with it in tournaments.

Yep.


This couldn't happen without the one chip call.

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Well there is a problem if the casino let's them get away with this. But that is not a problem with the under all must be corrected rule. It is a problem with management allowing people to leave with money that is not theirs. I suspect that rooms that would allow that to happen would take the same position if the player moved all chips into the betting area and then moved them back after losing

They can refuse to put the chips in when they say "call".

Would a "call' button for dealers - like an "all-in" button - fix this problem?

Taking fifteen seconds to make the pot right would fix the problem with less hassle.

I sometimes play in a room where one chip isn't a call and one of my favorite dealers in the room will automatically say "not a call" as soon as someone flips a single chip in when facing a large bet.

And what about all the times it takes much longer?

And what about when you go to make 5he pit right and now the player tries to uncall?

The problem with the 1-chip call rule is that some people think that there is a 1-chip call rule.

But there is no 1-chip call rule, to my knowledge.

No one is able to toss forward one chip more quickly than I am able to say "Call."

Unfortunately, simply saying what you want not always clear.

1. People mumble.

2. The cardroom is noisy.

3. People intentionally impair themselves by putting on headphones.

The point of communication is to get a message from Person A to Person B as quickly as possible - not for Person A to declare his job finished as quickly as possible.

Saying, "Call" in a clear voice and moving chips forward is best. The number of chips only needs to roughly match the bet to make crystal clear - even to the hearing impaired by choice - what your intent is.

As mentioned above, there is no one chip call rule. However, my problem with the one chip call is that it opens up the possibility for an angle. Mainly when someone cries gross misunderstanding. It's just not worth the potential problems it can cause when it is so simple to just not allow it. Just say call or move in enough chips to call. Easy game. Why do we need to do anything else?

Because people are lazy and / or they want to look cool like the douchebag pro they saw on TV.

Truth. I guess the real question is, why will common sense never prevail in our lifetime?

My cardroom has semi-solved this in tournaments by adding a rule that basically says: "If throwing one chip in causes an opponent to reveal his hand, then it will be taken as a call".

For some reason that rule has not made its way to cash games yet..