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Old 05-30-2017, 04:30 PM   #26
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

I wear clothing to cleverly disquise my lungs, because it can be reliable.
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Old 07-17-2017, 04:04 PM   #27
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

Just watched the AA v KK hand from last year's main event with Benger vs Kassouf (sorry on spelling) and when Benger had aces you could see him breathing really deeply while Kassouf was chatting him up. Reinforces strength in my opinion
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Old 07-20-2017, 11:17 AM   #28
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Hey guys I was just thinking about doing a thread like this I also noticed that heavy breathing comes with a very good hand

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Old 07-21-2017, 03:31 PM   #29
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

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Old 08-04-2017, 12:01 AM   #30
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

In my experience, heavy breathing is always strong.
Vein in the side of the neck buldging and neck tense is always strong as well.
Shoving and then avoiding eye contact=strong.

Asking, "Do you want me to call?" And getting a response of "Whatever you want to do" or "Not really" or evasion is strong.
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Old 09-30-2017, 03:00 PM   #31
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it doesn't mean strong or weak. it means heightened emotional intensity.
Can be this, from a threat. Bluffers can feel pretty threatened.
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Old 10-01-2017, 05:56 AM   #32
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I encountered a similar situation today in a live game. I had raised the pot with 99 and 3 players called. flop came A65 . First 2 players and i checked. Next player bet small 10$ maybe a quarter of the pot. Other 2 folded. The player to my direct left who bet was playing almost every hand and getting very bet happy whenever i check after raising pre so i called his 10$ planning to call down reasonable bets. The turn was another 6 and he kindof blinked/ twitched. I checked he bet 15 in rather sloppy manner. As i was thinking his breathing suddenly picked up and his heart was visibly pounding/racing. I ended up folding and after he mucked he said "good fold i had an ace" which i think further suggests he had the 6 given he had shown 0 hands to me whenever i had folded a d never said anything about his holdings.
Sorry I missed your reply. It's not good to try to cold-read tells. It's better to observe them first from the sidelines, and use it later in the session. Different players have different motivations. Though most have the motivation of nervously wanting to get every last dollar out of a strong hand. So, I tend to think the player had the ace. But, maybe not because the overall strategy is to pick-up pots.

Many, many players do not lie about what they had, but they do exaggerate. Though this does not co-inside as much with the tricky platform, and if the fundamental motivation is to trick you, then this is more likely to be one of the few to lie about their hands.

I'd say it's very inconclusive as to what the player had, but an ace is plausible. The turn is potentially a spot to raise the turn and bluff out the weak aces, and collect the pot from the bluffs. But given the breathing tell, I'd be inclined to fold.

It's also more important to try to pick-up tells on players who drive the action, and you should be pro-active in your reading, and smart in who you pick to read, because you really can only focus on one or two players if you're developing a profile. I believe trying to read everyone in every mid-hand will have diminishing returns and will lead to a shorter session due to burn-out.
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Old 10-01-2017, 06:08 AM   #33
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I tend to think the trickster has the ace, because usually the trickster will be all too happy to show a bluff to foster his own ego, and the "good fold" is a way of coping with not winning a larger pot when he has it. This is of course very generic, and shouldn't be weighted too heavily.
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Old 10-01-2017, 08:34 AM   #34
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

Either way, don't wear a tight fitting top (Van Hoof). Loads of breathing tells off him
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:07 PM   #35
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Strong hand IMO.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:21 PM   #36
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:04 PM   #37
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

It really depends on the type of player.
Within my personal experience I can say that most times people were strong, but many many times they were completely bluffing.

Iv'e notice that in most bluffs, the money meant a lot to the person I played against and wasn't "another bluff".

Newbies also tend to breath heavilily when strong and especially when bluffing
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:51 AM   #38
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

I think it depends when the heavy breathing occurs.

If it's preflop or generally before some action I think it indicates strength mostly, a kind of "preparing for battle" physical reaction to oxygenate the brain.

But when a person starts relaxed before an action and slowly the breathing becomes faster I've found this is often indicative of bluffing. Like someone CRAI OTT they are calm at first but as you tank and gather chips they realize you are considering calling and may have a huge hand. Same with river bluffs. Had a guy shove 850 into 1000 OTR tonight. Very nasty runout and all I had was an overpair. But I'm watching him and he seems calm at first but the longer I take the faster he's breathing, and when I gather the chips to call I notice an immediate increase in breathing rate. Once I've confirmed that read I immediately call and he has air as I suspected.
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Old 06-27-2018, 05:19 PM   #39
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

I seem to hold my breath and actions more with a weak hand. When I am strong I am trying to look like I am bluffing which I am sure comes off as strong.

I play loose aggro so I get called most of the time anyways.
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Old 07-01-2018, 02:44 AM   #40
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Lower the players skill, more likely a bluff.
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Old 07-08-2018, 01:00 AM   #41
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Re: Heavy breathing: strong/weak?

I don't think this is a 'one size fits all' type of classification. I think what you're describing is just something players do when they're excited/nervous/both.. with can correlate with either side of things. I guess in theory it would make sense that the hand is strong. I used to catch myself holding my breath when I would be remain as still as possible lol. But everyones dif
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Old 07-08-2018, 02:56 AM   #42
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I don't think this is a 'one size fits all' type of classification. I think what you're describing is just something players do when they're excited/nervous/both.. with can correlate with either side of things. I guess in theory it would make sense that the hand is strong. I used to catch myself holding my breath when I would be remain as still as possible lol. But everyones dif
Some people get really excited with nut hands about the possibility of winning tons of money. For pros and seasoned regs it just isn't that exciting. Running a huge bluff can make even pros nervous though. If I have the nuts I don't really care if I get called. I feel relaxed and just stare at the board. If they call or fold whatever. If I'm running a huge bluff I usually can stay relaxed just not thinking about the hand, but sometimes I start thinking "please fold please fold for the love of God fold" after the guy's been yanking for 2 minutes in a 2000 dollar pot.

I don't know why the prospect of winning a big pot has little effect on me but the prospect of having my bluff called and losing a huge pot makes me rather nervous. Maybe because there's already money in the pot if I'm jamming the river with the nuts and I'm already guaranteed a decent payday, but with bluffs I'm guaranteed nothing at all.

I think generally the more the monetary aspect excites people the more likely heavy breathing indicates a nut hand. Also less experienced players just tend not to bluff much so they're often very bad at concealing their nervousness. It can be tricky figuring out what it means in a specific situation. I generally tank and try to soul read the villain and if they get increasingly nervous I increase my estimate that it's a bluff.
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