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Old 11-17-2018, 01:00 AM   #76
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Re: Can You Be Addicted to Poker as a Winning Player?

lol I would hazard to say none of those old school names make their living from poker. But regardless, yeh I'd say Hellmuth despises the game more often than not.
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:53 PM   #77
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Re: Can You Be Addicted to Poker as a Winning Player?

To steal a concept from The Mental Game of Poker book by JTendler ... PHell exhibits a lot of 'Entitlement Tilt', but is it all an act?

To go after the Grammar in the previous post a bit ... The 'big' names do make their living 'from' poker, but not necessarily from 'playing' poker completely.

I believe DNegs is mixed up in a lot of 'background' money makers. He had a stake in 'The Big Game' and I think he has a stake in PokerGo somehow. Certainly he still gets an annual stipend from Poker Stars even without USA online presence. PHell has his brand and although he touts his charity accomplishments he probably gets paid to host these events by using his track record of fund raising as part of his resume.

Addicted is an interesting word ... is someone who is driven then addicted by default? Was/is Peyton Manning/Tom Brady driven in his game preparation or addicted to it?

People who are addicted often don't have balance in their lives. People who are driven often have the same imbalances. Addicts typically 'need' more of something in their lives, someone who's driven can feel like they need 'to do' more in order to maintain or improve. GL
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Old 11-25-2018, 03:56 PM   #78
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I remember drunkenly ****ing a girl and thinking "this is nearly as good as getting aces"
- I knew there and then I was addicted to poker.
Well, this clearly depends on the girl.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:03 PM   #79
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Phil Hellmuth, Daniel Negreanu and Mike Sexton have all played poker at a high level for 20 years or more. As far as I know they are still winning--Sexton is in his 60s and still making final tables on the WPT. I don't think that any of the three hate poker. Perhaps you are projecting.
High stakes isn't the same as high level. Back when everyone was terrible PH was pretty good, but he clearly doesn't play a high level game compared to the actual high level players today.
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:25 PM   #80
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High stakes isn't the same as high level. Back when everyone was terrible PH was pretty good, but he clearly doesn't play a high level game compared to the actual high level players today.
I tried to check out his recent results on the Global Poker Index and it seems to be down.
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:51 AM   #81
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High stakes isn't the same as high level. Back when everyone was terrible PH was pretty good, but he clearly doesn't play a high level game compared to the actual high level players today.
I don't know your definition of "high level" but Hellmuth is clearly making money playing poker. I just checked the Global Poker Index, here's a 2018 to-date summary:

2018 WSOP, 7 cashes, largest $485,082.

Other cashes include: WPT tournament of champions, LA Poker Classic, 2018 Poker Open, WSOP Europe (2 cashes), Poker Night in America ($200K), Poker Masters ($600k)

Hellmuth is a mad scientist. What he doesn't isn't supposed to work, but it does.
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Old 12-07-2018, 03:17 PM   #82
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Yes, but how much did he lose?
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Old 12-07-2018, 03:20 PM   #83
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In PH's case by "he isn't high level" I pretty much mean he isn't very good compared to the actually good players.
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(1) We tend to use the word "addiction" to only mean bad things. Addiction only becomes bad when it messes up your life and/or your health and/or the lives/health of the people who love you.

You think marathoners aren't addicted to running? Runners doing it right get a high from the experience; endorphins kick ass.

I guess there is a pretty simple example - have you/would you accidentally miss a moment that is important to a loved one or close friend because of the game? Do you keep playing when you know that another hour will mean that it won't be safe for you to drive?

(2) If you are really worried, well, talk to a professional. They know what questions to ask in order to help get to the heart of what is going on.
I look at a question like that the other way around. I only play NLHE MTTs, usually as deepstacked as possible. If all goes well, I'll be playing for many hours. I think about whether doing X (for example, being on the road for several hours) will make me too tired play winning poker.
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I look at a question like that the other way around. I only play NLHE MTTs, usually as deepstacked as possible. If all goes well, I'll be playing for many hours. I think about whether doing X (for example, being on the road for several hours) will make me too tired play winning poker.
That's applying rationality to your game choices, which makes it more likely you'll be a winning player.

I tend to only think of the risk of addiction as it applies to cash games (I'm not a tournament player). I wonder whether MTTs have the same risks as other forms of gaming.

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