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Old 01-09-2017, 05:53 AM   #1
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Calling clock .. what's it usually mean?

Recently in a cash game where opponent called clock on me. IMO the clock was called unusually fast (i.e., in just 1-2 minutes). I have never seen clock called at this game ever.

Literally no history with the other player.

Somewhat related: after he called clock he stood up and paced a bit, basically his body language was saying "Stop wasting time, this should be a quick decision"
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:50 AM   #2
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basically his body language was saying "Stop wasting time, this should be a quick decision"
That's what it means. The guy thinks you should have an easy decision and act accordingly.
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Old 01-09-2017, 12:36 PM   #3
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That's what it means. The guy thinks you should have an easy decision and act accordingly.
The question is: is the quick clock call usually a sign of strength or weakness?
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Old 01-09-2017, 01:50 PM   #4
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Play faster.
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Old 01-09-2017, 04:45 PM   #5
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I would normally say that a quick clock is a sign of a strong hand trying to show you a perception of weakness and 'piss you off' into a quick call. They have viewed your range as 'extremely' weak for the circumstance and are doing 'anything' they can to get you to call.

I have rarely found that a player standing up has a weak starting hand. Bluffing players usually tend to be less animated. There could be other circumstances involved but this player either started with a strong hand or smashed the board somehow and is doing a reverse weak tell. GL
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Old 01-09-2017, 11:24 PM   #6
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Play faster.
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Old 01-09-2017, 11:40 PM   #7
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I would normally say that a quick clock is a sign of a strong hand trying to show you a perception of weakness and 'piss you off' into a quick call. They have viewed your range as 'extremely' weak for the circumstance and are doing 'anything' they can to get you to call.

I have rarely found that a player standing up has a weak starting hand. Bluffing players usually tend to be less animated. There could be other circumstances involved but this player either started with a strong hand or smashed the board somehow and is doing a reverse weak tell. GL
This happened on the turn, so a weak starting hand could have become very strong and vice versa.

There were flush & straight draws which missed the turn. So I felt he was polarized to either a strong hand trying to get value from a draw, or semi-bluffing a draw himself.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:13 AM   #8
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Stop trolling.
No, I´m serious. You might not be aware of how long your decisions take and it´s possible that this guy finally had enough of it.
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:22 PM   #9
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No, I´m serious. You might not be aware of how long your decisions take and it´s possible that this guy finally had enough of it.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:59 PM   #10
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Thanks because not enough people stand up when someone takes a ridiculous amount of time when everyone at the table thinks "when is this ********** finally going to make this ****ing easy decision that i would have made 5 ****ing days ago" when in reality nobody wants to be "that guy" that calls the clock.

OP: play faster and be aware of the insane amount of time you are taking on regular basis; be welcome to take this as a troll but know that everyone at the table wishes you to get a stroke or something like that.

edit: I've had a few drinks but given that I feel this way there is a reasonable chance that more people feel that way. Nobody likes someone that tanks every ****ing time and given that you didn't even describe that it was a rare occasion makes me feel that you do this more often. If that is the case; learn from this and if you want to call me a troll that's fine.

edit2; nobody likes someone that tanks; literally, everyone feels like they could incinerate a nest of puppies when you go into the tank for 2 minutes (which you think is fine) and so I'm telling you right now; DON'T ****ING TANK ALREADY

edit3: I really really feel strong about this. I cannot even emphasize enough how annoying it is when people tank in live games. You probably thin that your decisions are fast but the reality is whenever someone calls the clock it really is warranted. That is why I think you should really evaluate the speed you make decisions\

edit4: I cannot even stress enough how annoying tankers are; seriously, you are. It's impossible that someone calls the clock on you if you don't take an insane amount of time on your average decisions. SO ****ING DONT

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Old 01-11-2017, 04:44 AM   #11
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No, I´m serious. You might not be aware of how long your decisions take and it´s possible that this guy finally had enough of it.
a. This is a forum to discuss physical tells. Not a forum for you to act like you have any clue about my etiquette based on a tiny portion of a single hand.

b. I told you I had NO history with the villain. As in it's impossible for him to have "had enough" when he's only, in his entire life, seen me insta-fold approximately ~15 hands.

c. I told you exactly how long before clock was called. If you think I "might" be wrong, then say that. Simply accusing me of always taking too long is ignorant and idiotic.

... finally ...

even if WERE consistently playing too slow, saying "play faster" is the stupidest donkey-style advice you can ever give someone. A player who can't act in time should simply leave the game.
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:47 AM   #12
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edit: I've had a few drinks
That probably explains why you're writing such idiotic posts.
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:34 PM   #13
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For what it is worth....since I'm new here.

Kelvis is 100% correct. 1-2 minutes is an eternity. I've seen someone mention doing this in another thread.....turn off all web devices, don't read a book, don't do jack diddly. Now....sit there for 90 seconds and do nothing. Now, remember, that's what all 8-9 other people at the table are doing....nothing. And likely...yourself.

However, as far as tells go....I think your read was spot on. He was thinking, "Ummm....play faster". Now you can feel free to debate if this is sound advice/strategy, but pretty sure that is what he meant.

btw....without knowing anyone there, and since you claim noone has ever called clock ever in the history of the world there...you must be almost comically slow.
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:56 PM   #14
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Re: Calling clock .. what's it usually mean?

Kelvis struck a nerve. Kelvis struck a nerve.

I've been playing cards for most of my 60+ years. I have NEVER seen the clock called "too quickly" unless there was personal history between the caller and callee. In fact...it is standard that an unknown gives another unknown a wide time frame.

OP you stated that there was no history with this player. Hence Kelvis' response (which in my opinion is probably very close to the truth).

BTW....what stakes are we talking about anyway? NL is assumed since anyone playing HE would shoot daggers at a 30 second tanker.
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:28 PM   #15
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If it's way too fast for normal standards, I would take it as a pretty polarized move...either they want you to fold quick or call quick and make mistake. Seems pretty obvious but that's what it means IMO.

If you're on the river, they are all in and its on you, calling quick to make you fold without thinking things through is how I've seen it used.

But if you are known tanker and they don't want to deal with your BS, maybe be aware that you are slowing the game down and hurry up. We're doing arithmetic here, not rocket science.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:01 PM   #16
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Re: Calling clock .. what's it usually mean?

Agreed with others that what this probably means is that you're taking too long to make standard decisions and V is pretty sick of it.

Let's assume that's not the case, and that V is doing this because he thinks he's getting a reaction from you. If that's the case (and again I doubt it), I believe that calling clock is intended to induce a call. Idea is that you'll be annoyed at him for calling clock, and want to "fight back", which folding doesn't accomplish.

That said, Occam's razor and all, it's much more likely you're just acting too slow.
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Old 01-17-2017, 02:19 PM   #17
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if there is a bet in front of you they want u to call
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Old 01-17-2017, 04:20 PM   #18
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I've had the clock called on me multiple times and usually it's a sign of a strong hand trying to induce a call (like on the river or just an allin).

I've never called the clock on anyone and I've waited up to around 5 minutes I'd guess. For multi hundred dollar decisions I think letting people think for a bit is fine; but I understand why the clock is there and I'm sure I'll use it someday.
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:10 PM   #19
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Recently in a cash game where opponent called clock on me. IMO the clock was called unusually fast (i.e., in just 1-2 minutes). I have never seen clock called at this game ever.

Literally no history with the other player.

Somewhat related: after he called clock he stood up and paced a bit, basically his body language was saying "Stop wasting time, this should be a quick decision"
Consensus seems to be in. That is what his tell meant. Calling a clock in a cash game is pretty rare in my experience, I've seen a clock called only a couple of times when the villain was glacially slow, hand after hand. It was never about one hand. If you are habitually slow, 15 hands could be like 30 minutes of poker, 15 minutes of waiting for you to play. Then somebody calls a clock and villain says "what, it's only been a minute."
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:35 PM   #20
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I've only logged 360 hours of live play, but FWIW number of times when clock was requested * was about 5 times, number of times it was too early to call it was zero, number of times people took way too long and someone should have called the damn clock** was at least 50 times.

tl;dr Kelvis is right, chances are that you just take too long to make decisions.

* Clock only actually happened twice, other times villain just folded like he was always going to.

** I'm as guilty as anyone of not calling the clock when I should. I've called for it once, villain looked at me like I'd shot his dog.
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:00 AM   #21
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Re: Calling clock .. what's it usually mean?

I'm calling a clock on this thread. What's your read?
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Old 02-04-2017, 04:13 AM   #22
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IME only a good/leveling player is capable of calling clock with a bluff, and I've only seen it once. Calling the clock usually falls under the category of antagonizing an opponent which is generally a sign of strength.
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Old 02-07-2017, 02:14 AM   #23
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1 -2 minutes isn't short, especially if you're doing it regularly. That can be an eternity.

I make a habit of calling for time if I need more than 15 seconds to think.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:09 AM   #24
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1 -2 minutes isn't short
Also, it's easy to underestimate the time when you're making a tough decision. Once I genuinely didn't think I was taking too long but a few people at the table said I was, so I realize time passes much faster when you're thinking and trying to make a hard decision, versus someone sitting there waiting to be dealt the next hand.
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Old 02-08-2017, 09:01 PM   #25
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I make a habit of calling for time if I need more than 15 seconds to think.
You make a habit of calling the clock on yourself?
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