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04-06-2016 , 02:39 PM
I was facing a 400$ bet on river with a pot of less than 300$.

I had flopped trip Kings (9 kicker) and called flop and turns from agressor. After 30 seconds after river bet of 400$ I revealed my king and immediately time was called by opponent. Possible flush runner runner, or maybe he hit a set.

The fact that he rushed and asked for time - is it a form of weakness or strength. Dealer allowed me a few more extra minutes because it was agreed i deserved more.

Wasn't sure if he was tryin to be weak or actually trying to rush me into folding, which is what I ended up doing.

He said afterwarsa that he didn't have me on a King.
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04-06-2016 , 03:07 PM
So he knows you have a real decision so he squeezes the time. What do YOU think it meant?

lol, showing the K.
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04-06-2016 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
So he knows you have a real decision so he squeezes the time. What do YOU think it meant?

lol, showing the K.
Listen, I'm not a pro like yourself so I would appreciate feedback if you can spell it out for me.

It could be attempt to look weak when strong, or more simply it can be weakness. If I knew the answer I wouldn't ask here.
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04-06-2016 , 03:58 PM
I usually try to "help" by using the Socratic Method. Learning is harder but lasts longer imo.
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04-06-2016 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
I usually try to "help" by using the Socratic Method. Learning is harder but lasts longer imo.
It could be attempt to look weak when strong, or more simply it can be weakness. If I knew the answer I wouldn't ask here.
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04-07-2016 , 04:57 PM
Some players call the clock in situations like that just because they don't like for you to pull any shenanigans and waste time for everybody.

If you were in the other players shoes, would you be more inclined to call time if you could or could not beat K9?
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04-11-2016 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MontrealPoker
It could be attempt to look weak when strong, or more simply it can be weakness. If I knew the answer I wouldn't ask here.
Hey Montreal,

Generally, calling the clock on someone after making a significant bet will be more likely to be a strong hand. Because calling the clock on someone is often considered an aggressive/mean thing to do, it means that you'll mostly see it from players who are quite relaxed. Most players who are bluffing/ambivalent-about-a-call won't be likely to risk making an opponent angry, because it might result in a frustration-call or a spite-call.

Worth noting: good players are more likely to reverse this behavior. I've seen a lot of examples of good players calling the clock on other decent opponents when bluffing. As with most well-thought-out false tells, they're only likely to do this to other thinking players, because versus weak players it's hard to tell how those players will interpret that behavior or act on it.

Here's one hand that comes to mind with a decent player calling the clock on another decent player when bluffing:



But yeah, in like 85% of the cases from your average player, it'll be a strong hand. (Not to sound like Mike Caro here with the stats lol.)
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04-11-2016 , 11:09 PM
You were trying to induce a tell by showing your king. A lot of players will respond to that type of antic by calling a clock, irrespective of their hand strength.

Not sure that flashing a card like that really is ever a good idea.
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04-12-2016 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove
You were trying to induce a tell by showing your king. A lot of players will respond to that type of antic by calling a clock, irrespective of their hand strength.

Not sure that flashing a card like that really is ever a good idea.
I disagree; I think calling a clock in this situation still makes it likely that this player is relaxed and has a strong hand. (I'm not saying anything about whether showing a card in this spot is a good idea.) I see your point, though, that it could make it slightly more likely that the player will call the clock with any hand. I still think, though, that it will usually be a strong hand, assuming your average player.
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09-12-2016 , 07:13 PM
Totally appropriate to call an immediate clock if the tanker has exposed any portion of his hand... Be prepared that you will only have 10 seconds to act once the floorman arrives.
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09-22-2016 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Notchzilla
Totally appropriate to call an immediate clock if the tanker has exposed any portion of his hand... Be prepared that you will only have 10 seconds to act once the floorman arrives.
10 seconds??? Don't you have a minute
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09-22-2016 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Notchzilla
Totally appropriate to call an immediate clock if the tanker has exposed any portion of his hand... Be prepared that you will only have 10 seconds to act once the floorman arrives.
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Originally Posted by SlowPlay11
10 seconds??? Don't you have a minute
I've never played in a card room where you had less than a minute after the floor arrived.
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09-28-2016 , 03:02 PM
There are cases where the floor deems that the tanking player is out of line or stalling and can immediately start the 10 second count down. Very rare but I've seen it twice ... once because it took the floor an extremely long time to get to the table (yep) and the other was when the player was pissed about the clock being called and admitted that he was going to take the full minute out of spite.

With the OP showing a card I'm somewhat neutral about the clock calling but would lean more towards a strong hand trying to get a quicker or spiteful call.

I think in general that a player calling clock wants a call since ... again in general ... the longer a player takes the more likely they are to fold. GL
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10-18-2016 , 08:46 AM
I think it usually means strong/relaxed, although I am one to call clock on any shenanigans. Whenever players start asking me questions like "If you show will I fold?" I call clock because I find fishing for information in the most obvious way imaginable to be tedious and a waste of time for the entire table and I like to discourage people from slowing down the game.

I think, on an emotional level, his process was basically "you are pulling some garbage with me, I am pulling some garbage with you." It was more of an irritated retaliation that indicated strength. Although I could also see the thought process just being "I know this guy is folding, let's get this over with."

I find that when I watch someone, I can tell when they have decided to fold and once I have seen that decisions being made in their head, I become very impatience and irritated watching them work their way to the decision that you already know they have made.

Last edited by flushymcacey; 10-18-2016 at 08:51 AM.
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10-31-2016 , 02:01 PM
Calling the clock is usually a sign of strength imo, because it introduces the potential for the player with the decision to have their agency taken from them. Ever notice how people rarely allow the clock to expire before making a decision one way or another? It's psychologically painful to have that decision made for you, and people often impulsively call when they hear the (distracting and panic-inducing) 10-second countdown. Our brains don't function well under pressure.

Also, fwiw OP, when villain told you that he "didn't have you on a K", he was almost certainly lying. I think you made the right decision in folding your bluff catcher to a massive river overbet, to say the least.
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