I'm a fan of the moving button rule where the button will move to the next player every hand rather than the button freezing and waiting for the blinds to catch up. Only explanation I've been given why my casino doesn't do it is because it could deny someone's ability to straddle.

I don't like that players end up posting blinds on the button.

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Any particular reason?

I like it.

Maybe because it's quite an advantage to be allowed to post a blind on the button instead of OOP. Of course it's also an advantage to get the button twice, so neither system is perfect.

I agree neither is perfect but getting the button twice in a row doesn't bother me much. I look at as the player was going to be second to last to act do moving to last to act isn't a big deal.

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IMO:

Pros of FMB
* No one gets button twice in a row
* New players waiting for blinds and players with missed blind buttons get (back) into the game faster
* 3 blinds = potential for more and better action
* Don't have hands with just a single BB (which causes less action)

Cons of FMB
* Players will post a SB OTB, which is a large advantage
* Screws up straddling
* Harder to understand for people who have never seen it before

I don't really have strong feelings between them. Theoretically I would probably prefer a FMB, but I have barely ever played with one so it's hard to say definitively.

Unrelated, but another change I really like is letting new players "post in between", where in a game which requires posting to enter, they can post in between the button and the SB, then the next hand the button skips them and they are the CO. Again, it gets people in faster, and gets more blinds in play, but doesn't have the downside of having people posting blinds in position.

Actually its possible for a player to be posting their BB OTB and their SB in the cutoff

Even people who have seen it before.




I prefer letting players Buy the button here. While posting between creates more a bigger starting pot do to having the blinds and the post on the same hand, many players will elect to post behind rather than between.

It's not either/or. Players can also BTB if they want to have the button the next hand. But players already have the option to BTB when joining the game between the BUT and SB in most rooms. No one ever does. They always wait to post after the BUT (or in some cases, they watch the table first and wait for their natural BB).

This is an additional option to get them into the game a hand faster than they would if they waited to post in CO, and have them post OOP rather than IP. For whatever reason, a lot of people take this option when it is given to them, in my experience.

Also, I can't figure out how someone would get to post a BB OTB and SB in CO. I'm sure I'm just failing to think of some weird situation. Can you elaborate?

It shouldn't be possible for the SB to be posted in the CO.... because he would be the button if he was being dealt into the hand... otherwise.... he really shouldn't be being dealt in if he missed an SB on the previous orbit such that he returns when the two players to his right got felted/left/got up that the hypothetical button would be the BB.

It's more than possible for the HJ, CO, and BU, and SB to all be posting a small blind.

Sure button is seat 1. SB seat 2 bb seat 3.

Seats 2 and three bust out and leave. Next hand button moves to seat 4 who has not yet posted any blinds so seat 4 posts the BB on the button. On the next hand seat 4 is the cutoff and posts the small blind.

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What is the "F" you put in "FMB"? I've heard it called the California moving button, and simply the moving button. In my mind, I'm picturing you cussing out that darn moving button.

Haha I clicked the "new" link for this thread, and as the page was loading I figured it out on my own. Just in time!

It is "officially" called a forward moving button, as opposed to a dead button.

They should just call it the living button.

My favorite reasons.

Dumb Dumb Dumb rule.

Moving the button is annoying to the players, who must post their blind on the button or after it has past. It also causes a delay while the dealers (who are often, also annoyed by this silly rule) must explain what is happening and often have to ask repeatedly for a player to put out his blind.

Usually this rule is found only in rooms, which force the winning player of each hand to involuntarily contribute to the bad beat lottery.

In a 1/2 game, if the small button was treated as a dead small blind, the dealer must take the bad beat drop and minimum rake out of the big blind. Which means if no one calls a raise before the flop, there is a zero pot for the winning player. Thus move the button rule was created so the winning player wins at least $1. (I know I Know, Some rooms have a minimum rank greater than $1).

Rather than slow up the game and annoy the players, the better poker rooms simply follow the same rule as for tournaments. Sometimes you have a dead small blind and/or button. In a way, this goofy rule, is just one of many bad side effects of a forced bad beat lottery.

I just refuse to play when this silliness happens and use it for my restroom breaks, return phone calls, return text messages, stretch my legs, etc. I usually return for my Big Blind. With the bonus, that often the empty chairs have been filled by that time and I'm ready to focus on the game.

Any attempts to get Management to understand the moving the button actually cost them money in the long run is futile. If they could understand, the rule would never had been put in place to begin with.

I'm pretty sure you don't post the small blind from the cut off. If you're in a situation where the button is on someone who hasn't posted their blinds yet, they post their big and their small is dead money. The two players after them post a big each. Next hand, you have a small on the button (not dead) and your normal blinds. The three rules I was given for the Forward Moving button were:

1. 2 blinds are posted after the button.
2. Everyone posts a small and a big blind.
3. No one posts behind the button.

I think these handle every single situation.

I would not accept playing where my SB was posted dead through no fault of my own.

It doesn't happen often, but if two people leave at an odd time, it can lead to someone posting their BB on the button and their SB in the cutoff.

And I don't know why the rule was originally made, but it's not that confusing to players in California where it is the standard, and no one minds posting behind the button. Why would they? It's to their advantage.

I used to play in a room where the button paid the drop so you had to have a fmb so that no one paid twice in a round.

Of course no one would complain about posting behind. I don't like the rule because I don't think some people should get to post behind while others have to post in bad position.

However for no limit this doesn't really bother me as the blinds are so small relative to the stakes. It bothers me more for limit.

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I don't know anything about FMB. Can you keep going with this example? Who posts the SB this hand? Who posts the BB next hand? Who posts each blind the hand after that, and how do they ever catch up to the normal position?

Sure so button moves to seat 4. Seat 4 posts bb. Seat 5 posts bb. Seat 6 posts big blind. Next hand button moves to seat 5. Seat 4 posts small blind. Seat 5 posts sb. Seat 6 posts small blind. Seat 7 post bb. Next hand button moves to 6 and all is normal again.

Every player posts both blinds is the key. BB first SB the next hand.

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We have a FMB in all cases except this one. For this we go dead button and 2 BBs. Next hand would be Small on Button, Small, Big.

Either way is confusing if you play at multiple houses that do it differently.

Although I accept it as part of the game, I've never been a big fan of chopping blinds. I'm really not a fan of only one player having money 'out there' in a hand. So a system that figures out a way for at least 2, and maybe 3 players, to have chips out there is preferred.

I always say "I do chop." when I'm the BB and lone poster for a hand. It usually gets someon's ire up and we end up playing a hand. GL