Got a political problem. This one deal counts stacks and pulls chips into the pot with hands that move faster than my eyes and brain, and also faster than her eyes and brain. She doesn't make many mistakes, but I know she is making them. She tends not to stack chips in a manner that other people can count them, and pulls them into the pot quickly. For example, she may count out one in stacks of 5 chips, and the other in stacks of 10.

She appears to mention to the floor every time I question anything she's done. I have no reason to suspect any of this is deliberate or biased.

Not sure how to proceed. I get the feeling the floor doesn't like the criticism.

The other week at PLO, I said "pot", she calculated (not counted) the pot correctly at "$220", I bet that amount and the dude called. check-check on river, we turn up and I win. Now she counts the original pot to verify whether it was $220. I cannot imagine what the point of that was. The amount was decided and accepted by both players. Later I asked the floor what would happen if it was $230; could the caller now decide not to call it? $210 and he gets a rebate?

Just today there was large $2k NLH bet and called, and in the show down she's counting the stacks, its awkward as there are a few denominations of chips. She's moving chips and counting, and moved $500 (5 black chips) from in front of player A to in front of player B. Player A objected and she moved it back and continued without the slightest hesitation. I would have thought that if she moved that money for a reason, it would have taken her at least a couple seconds to verify that it wasn't correct.

Also today, A bets $115, B raises almost that amount, she counts it and separates it into $115 and the $125 raise. B calls $125, 4-green and 5-blue. She continues to count and pull the bets into the pot, and A got $15 rebate. I think I said 5 words wondering why, and that appears to have been enough for her to mention it to the floor after her down. I think this is a mistake, since if he had too much than B owes $15. If this $15 was correct, that means B only raised $110. In any event, she miscounted somewhere and there is no reason to believe the "correct" count was the one she used to scoop the bets into the pot.

Have you talked to the Floor or a Shift Manager?

Any chance she is the girlfriend of Someone Important?

You might have to be quiet and protect your money when she is dealing.

I tend to have 'trouble' with the speedy Dealers as well .. They increase the tension at the table and sometimes act as if they are trying to break some record for hands in a down, every down. I realize that it's their income, but it's been 'proven' that tips aren't always generated by efficiency or speed.

Not sure why a Dealer would have such good access to the Floor to 'always' discuss your comments .. small room? Doesn't she need to get to the next table?

Counting the pot down in PLO once you move to the next street or showdown is crazy bad, but I wouldn't put it past anyone.

Some Dealers have quirks ... I see one that no matter how the player puts the chips out she stacks them into '5 highs' before pulling them into the pot.

Although it is all the players responsibility to watch the game and help prevent mistakes are you watching her more or do you comment on spots with all Dealers?

Politically, her continued comments to the Floor may cost you a ruling but as long as you are looking to protect the game, not 'catch' her, you should be acting in a manner that's comfortable to you.

Do any of the other players (or Dealers) make comments about her during the next down or off to the side? I would try to talk to the Floor, but in some cases they are more of a 'bartender' and just let the white noise slip by. GL

I know casinos may have guidelines on how to cut chips for each denomination, but if I'm cutting 5s, I try to do 4 stacks of 5, but if the first stack comes off as 4, it's quicker for me to just cut out 5 stacks of 4 than to go back and make it stacks of 5. Sometimes I just do whatever is faster, but the way I do things is very transparent and I say a lot of the stuff I'm doing out loud. I'm breaking the chips down so everyone knows it's right...I'm not doing it for fun. It's not my money. I have no vested interest in the chips I'm moving around when I deal, so I don't actually "care" beyond the sense that if I don't do my job properly, I probably won't have a job that much longer.

I would recommend you only speaking up when you are reasonably certain you're seeing a mistake being made. Chances are, you're right about most of the times you've seen this dealer make a mistakes, but unfortunately and not to be excused, the few times you're wrong are held against your credibility in their eyes and they dismiss your commentary.



Real question: Do the other players tell you to stop causing such a fuss?

not that it should matter BUT
ask a reg about her 1st

I said something neg to the floor about a dealer only to have him say I'll talk to my wife during her next break ?????????????
come to find out the female dealer was married to the floor.

When I get a dealer like that I slow them down by acting slower asking them questions about action etc. They hate it but what they are doing is bull****. If they need more money I will give you an extra buck or two but jeez it's annoying.

Not an accusation, but rather an observation, based not on this thread, but upon my 25 years around this game:

I've known or seen many lightning-fast dealers over those years. They were all prone to more floor calls than average, proving their haste makes waste.

However, the male speed merchants were admired. They were never called "too fast" by the players. The players would only seek out the floor to complain about the females-- even after an error-free down.

This was my opinion before opening this thread. Please note that each anecdote posted above includes the words "she" and "her", no sign of "he" and "him".

ARCHIE BUNKER: It's a proven fact that capital punishment is a well- known detergent to crime.

MIKE STIVIC: That's false! Capital punishment has *never* been proven to be a 'deterrent' to crime.

ARCHIE BUNKER: We believe it is in this house!

Is it possible you sometimes get confused as to what occurred? Do other players point out these mistakes? And when you asked her why A got the 15 rebate, what did she say then, during the hand? If you felt she made a mistake with the money you should point it out for sure. But you didn't just let her ignore you and not address it, did you? What happened?

The reason for this is that the OP specifically stated it was a female Dealer in that case. I tend to be careful, to the point of bad Grammar, to use 'they' in most pronoun uses.

In my example of the 're-stacking' Dealer, she is a she. I slipped up and didn't use 'they' .. now, was it because she is a she? I don't think so, but I will give it some pause ...

I will state that the 2 Dealers that I have the most trouble with are male and I 100% agree that they have more Floor calls than the average Dealer.

it's been 'proven' that tips aren't always generated by efficiency or speed.
Anyone taking a perusal through the Tipping Containment Thread should come to this conclusion within a page or two. Although hearing from Archie every once in a while is nice.

I rarely take exception to YTF .. more of a clarification than exception this time around. GL

Don't apologize, we cool.

...but don't forget that other guy who mentioned the husband/wife dealer/floor combo. It wasn't just you and OP. There's a trend there, and that's just ITT. Like I've said, I got 25 years on this case, and it's still batting 1.000.

I'll throw in my own story: I worked with a female dealer who was the worst I've ever seen at "going too fast". I mean, the last card she pitched hadn't landed yet, and she's already banging on the table to get UTG to act on his hand. RELENTLESSLY. Never pulled in bets before putting out the next card. To her, it was "time is money". To the rest of us, it was "haste makes waste."

One day, I offered a prop bet to a coworker: Every down she deals where she needs to call the floor, I get $1. Every down she deals with no floor calls, he gets $1. He eagerly accepted the wager--and quit me after a day and a half.

I'm telling this story to show that I'm just as guilty as the rest of you. When I saw the title of this thread, "Dealer too fast", I immediately thought of her. She was "Dealer too fast" personified, in my mind. We had a male dealer on staff at the time who was almost a carbon copy of her, but I wasn't offering any bets on him.

He was a lot better dealer. She had the ability to be as good of a dealer, she just needed to be as fast without the rushing.

edit to add: She personifies dealing "too fast" enough that I know who she is. At least i assume I do.

Yeah, you know the pair I mentioned. Like I said, when I saw the thread title, I immediately thought of her-- looks like you did, too!

I'll probably get deleted if I post much more than a "thanks for pointing this out."

I know one fast woman dealer at Venetian in Vegas, she doesn't make many mistakes. Older players tend to get ruffled by a fast dealer though they can't follow the action fast enough.