So adderall and poker have been used by many even well known pros. I myself used it for fun and started to use it once and a great blue moon when playing poker and it seems to improve my game a lot do not got a % thou. What do you guys think does it help your game and would you think it is cheating? I am looking for a safer drug that does the same without the harsh side effects Adderall has I don't care about the high when it comes to using for poker.

Looking for input thanks!

P.S. Hope this is allowed to post if not some one let me know.

It's awesome at first but adderall will make you a worse player and stifle your growth in the long term. You won't be able to think yourself out of a wet paper bag when you eventually stop using it, and i believe theres probably more of a cadriovascualr risk than anyone realizes with even low dose longterm use and gambling everyday. Adderall is very -EV IMO

Make sure you eat and sleep, if you do those two things, it's a miracle drug.

As long as you use it sporadically i agree, if you fall in the trap of using it everyday you will eventually regret it.

Ok, so I have been thinking of using it to. How does it improve your game? You make much more faster decisions? Can you add more tables? Your level of confidence goes very high, or it comes in equilibrium with your game play, meaning you are still confident but you don't overvalue yourself?

It does make you deiced faster at least in my case and better ones but I never tried more tables than usual I will try that one day and let you know.Your level of confidence goes very high is true but won't overvalue at all as you will make better folds.

Eat and sleep is a must that I did not do for a while trust me SLEEP after 24-48 hours or you will get really bad head ach, paranoid, etc. And I would never use on a daily not even weekly bases, basically use it for a day or two and review everything when you are sober and fully rested.

Is there any drug you can get legally that works even as close as it? Also speaking of this any one watching the show Limitless? I knew about adderall before the movie/show they do go overboard but it is such a damn good movie and series!

There are some natural things you can take to probably give you a fraction of the feeling you get from Adderall. (Is it the same as modafinal/alertec? That's how I know it in canada) you could probably take a Nero enhancer with some form of stimulant... it would likely give you some benefits, but you're not going to find anything over the counter that's as strong as as prescription. There is no biological free lunch though. Be careful and monitor yourself often.

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talked aderall with my pharmacist, guy gave me a speech to never touch it in my life for poker, told me its like cocaine if i used it (abusive)

It's very comparable to cocaine. Playing poker sober is 100% the most +EV way to play it..

It is similar to modafinal but stronger I am thinking of going to my doctor and asking for modafinal because adderall not what I want I can get that once and a while if wanted.

Playing poker sober 90% or more is what I do, it is similar to really good coke as far as the high but coke does not open up more of your mind like adderall will but you got be very careful to not use it more than I say 5 times a year.

Going to try Trubrain and Piracetam they are not RX and no bad side effects let you guys know in about 30 days how they work trying Trubrain first!

I've noticed it makes some people ramble on rapidly and incoherently... I finally had to tell a guy one night "please go take the other kind of pill" after we had a 5 minute non-stop, rapid-fire train-of-thought, ramble about his pending decision that went something like this:

"I-raised-7-preflop-he-3-bet-to-15-I-called-but-didn't-4-bet-what-does-he-put-me-on-instead-what-does-he-have-last-week-I had-pocket-fours-and-didn't-4-bet-I-should-have-4-bet-but-I-didn't-and-it-worked-out-because-they-had-pocket-7's-but-last-night-I-had-pocket-kings-they-got-cracked-by-9,10 suited-maybe-I-misplayed-this-who-called-already-how-many-players-in-the-hand-could-he-have-aces-let-me-count..."

Yea it is okay to think that way in your head but no one wants to hear that sh** lol

Modafinil is overrated crap. If your dead set on doing this to adderall is the way to go, even though my recommendation stands of using nothing is what will make you the best poker player overall. If you get a script for it I guarantee you won't use it only 5 times a year

None of that.

It allows you to block out everything else thats normally a distraction and your able to devote most of your mental resources that you have available to playing in the moment.

I think this is a very important distinction, because if you are a losing player you will not become a winning player all of a sudden taking adderall. Its not the limitless pill. As a matter of fact, i would be willing to bet that some losing players will even lose at a greater BB/100 on adderall because it will potentially cause you to play more hands, want to mix it up more etc.

However, if you are winning player dealing with issues of lack of motivation, depression, boredom in the game it will help you for sure. Atleast at first. Until eventually you have to stop taking it, because using an amphetime daily long-term turns out to be a pretty bad idea.

Then guess what? Youre going to have to learn to deal with the SAME problems you had before you touched the stuff, lack of motivation, depression and boredom, and now you're dealing with the sideffects of adderall and your back to square 1 only worse.

Agree with almost all of that, def with if I got a script which I never would do because then I be using a lot I know that already from using it a few times before. I got my sources to get two to three here and there when I want I just like to experiment with it not use even monthly.

I think we got the most out this thread we could other than trying Trubrain which reviews are great nothing like adderall thou. Will try and let you guys know!

My avg right now is 45/100 BB but this is at 1 cent/2 cent cash tables 9 player and 6. I started with nothing and at $70 at moment... I make about $4-$10 a day! Doing this full time been playing for years and improved tons lately never bankroll managed till now which seems key along with not tilting or chasing money.

If you're looking for chemical ways to temporarily "enhance" your game, you clearly haven't delved enough into legitimate ways to become a better player. If you want to get better, you might want to consider putting some of your amphetamine budget toward books instead, or maybe toward your poker roll.

People who play on drugs, alcohol, etc. always seem to think they're playing better than when they're sober. In fact, addicts of all stripes seem to think they're better at everything they do—games, driving, work, artistic endeavors—when they're on drugs. It's very rarely true, and almost never true for a highly cognitive game like poker.

That said, go for it. I doubt your opponents will complain. (That is, unless you do that annoying motormouth thing amphetamine users do sometimes. Gawds, that's annoying.)

I tried Adderall for a couple of sessions when I got my hands on some early last year. Ya, you get the energy to play, but what was happening with me was that I was paranoid villain had a better hand every time. Messed with my head and never again.

Not looking to improve my game with drugs, actually very happy where I am with my sober game... just think it can be a fun/experimental once and a great while and yes motormouth is very annoying.

I have tried alphamethyltryptamine once for a session,a dose of 5mg was given out to Russians for depression back in the 80s but was took off the shelves when they realised people actually liked it lol, it's a strange chemical almost identical in structure to amphetamine though that is the tryptamine backbone, it doesn't help whatsoever but I remember binking 17k in a turbo one time on it lol, it makes you make impulsive decisions and I expect adderall will do the same the more you take it the bigger the dose u will need, plus the lack of food and sleep will just make you over tired ,stay safe people

I probably fit the bill for add. Ive tried adderall a few times to get things done, and a couple times at the table. I usually ramble at a poker table, alot of nonsense talk. Adderall actualy allows me to internalize the convo instead of rambling. I still think its neg ev. took a 10 mg at 12 last night at the casino, left at 630 am to avoid traffic. Got home and to sleep by 9 am, woke up at 430 pm and took a nap at 10. Now my sleep schedule is ****ed.

Improving your poker game will help way more than any drug. Give Adderall to a fish and see what happens. This just sounds like a lazy attempt to improve and it reminds me of people falling for ads that promise things they can't deliver.

I'm curious what you guys think about recent posts from Mason Malmuth in the books and publications forum. He thinks focus is overrated in poker and things like diet/sleep/concentration/etc. are not that important in poker, and he emphasizes learning to play poker well instead.

Mason is way wrong im sober 99.999% the time I play which is 6-10 hours a day (sometimes I take 2 days off like a normal job would) and all those things are important except diet idk how much that matters really.

I mean playing well is very important but without sleep/concentration/etc. how you going to be able to pick off reads and tells? The more you pay attention the more info you collect.

Adderall is pretty much prescription meth. Adderall will definetly help you play smarter and faster but comes with a high risk of dependency. Side effects or less damaging then meth, because you still can eat, and won't rought your brain and mouth away.

Only way I think adderall could help long term if you take them when your studying and didn't take them while you play. Could be wrong, I'm no doctor by any means.