Thank you for responding to me politely, you really don't have any reason to care. I thought part of your argument was how his viewers would affect the smaller hardworking streamers. Either way hopefully he just quits it.

Thank you for posting this.

Sparkes discusses the "chat view bots" which I have asked about over and over. While I have no doubt in anything he has said, I am still surprised as to why nobody else has added more detail to this specific point. This goes above and beyond a normal viewbot service and is indicative that somebody put extra work into this deception.

A quick google of people offering viewbot services suggests that having "chatters" asking questions that you provide it is now fairly standard part of packages all these providers offer e.g.

Ok, that sounds totally reasonable.

But I guess I am going to have to spell this out further, since the point I am trying to make seems to be getting lost here.

If more people can corroborate what the chatters have said, that has more impact on ascertaining WHO put the viewbots in chat. Because they have to be programmed to say something. If somebody is trolling, they would usually say something random or insulting. If they are asking specific questions that only a "gripsed viewer" would know to ask, then it points more to an "inside-job."

In my humble opinion, the details of the chat bots are stronger evidence than the interpretation of graphs of viewer totals.

It would be nice if people who were actually there could verify those bots were there and add more details. So far only 2 people have, and one of those two had their account posted by the other.

I wasn't aware of this part of the story. Did not know there was chat bots (other then the posts in the thread.) You are right though if someone was trolling why would they do it in a way trying to make pitching affiliate sales more natural.

The people offering these services also aren't offering the NightBot type thing, they are offering that you can have 10's, each 100's of fake viewers chatting (for a price obviously).

Cant you watch the replay with chat included now?

Thanks I'm glad someone read it. As you said it doesn't prove or dis-prove anything. If comparing graphs it's easier if they are proportional. That's just the way they came out on that site Jaime got them from, he didn't set parameters.

Part of the reason first hand accounts are valuable is that they give a better sense of the feeling people had in chat.

However your point is a good one I had considered. Here's the problem - pretty sure all of the video replays of Gripsed streams are restricted to subscribers. I am not a Gripsed subscriber and this is definitely not the ideal time to start my subscription.

Oops, i checked his vods and they are subscriber only my mistake.

VP and eglinton

Everyone knows your a scum.
look at your negative feedback thread, you act as unstable as that fiktenasch guy lol.
So good on you for "exposing" evan. your mid 30s and doing this? Maryam would be proud.

Jaime the graphs don't have same parameters, they "can't" look the same. I agree it is very suspect his growth rate drastically slows so much.


Here are the graphs you posted

In your original post it appeared to me that you were concerned with the Sudden Surge at the beginning.

With the graphs having same parameters on the x and y axis you can see your growing at a higher and faster rate than his, at the "very beginning"

I know you have 1000s more followers so you should grow faster.




In no way am I trying to defend him. Everyone was ****ting bricks about the differences between your graph and his and I just didn't feel it was apples to apples.

You have posted plenty of other additional graphs that do make it look that something fishy was going on.

Call into PokerSesh tonight, Limon is going to be discussing this.

i just pmd you my phone number, you can block your number, no worries...

im waiting.

I'm on disability and there are two things I know... the best pizza joint in town and Twitch Poker. I stream 15-16 hours a day, every day since Aug of last year. I love all the regs and I surf constantly. I regularly will multi stream just looking for something different.

The few times I came across Gripsed and I was like where did this guy come from so like a few others I gave him a shot. The chat absolutely sucked and the stream was far from stellar. I got to the site b/c he was top streamer and I was stunned b/c it made NO sense. When I heard about this situation it made perfect sense especially since it was very apparent he was trying to upsell everything about him all the time. It was horrible.

Jaime is absolutely right to call it out. He is a kid trying to make a living on twitch and has worked hard on it. The reason is this is one poker streamer or two get found out after they have duped some sponsors and advertisers they will not just write off that specific streamer they will write off all poker streamers or all streamers on Twitch.

I have no money for subscriptions and have no skin in the game other than I truly appreciate the free content of a game I love and will support the good streamers on Twitch with my views.

BTW the best pizza in Prince George, BC is Tabor and the best in BC is Red Tomato Pies in Williams Lake.

Can't believe he hasn't responded to this yet. With basically your entire reputation on the line, something should be said. Just leads more to the speculation of guilt.

I'm a pretty big twitch.tv user and I've seen a handful of 'high profile' bot accusations. Winter from SC2, Massan, P4wnyhof and Athene from Hearthstone. All have never come up with valid reasons for suspicions and the Gripsed situation looks very similar. Most of the time they claim someone else was botting their channel, which most people think is complete bull****. I'd love to see Gripsed just admit it if it's true and try to save at least some face.

Jaime limped in behind when it came to calling it out, by his own admission he was selfish in this respect, the credit goes elsewhere for calling this out.

When they ignore the customer base it's the beginning of the end.
It was worth that to Amazon and no one else.
Just ask Google and Yahoo.
Any company that ignores fraud and theft from partners as we can see
in this thread is laughable. And anything they now say is laughable as to
little to late afterthoughts.

i think gripsed is innocent, no solid proof and no ban from twitch

looks fine to me

You are correct... I should have said Jaime was right to chime in... my apologies to the OP.

What's up with all the cheap poker streamers not willing to pony up for bots? How is Poker supposed to compete with other popular channels? Kappa

I forgive you pumpkin

He has responded yesterday. Not in any good way imo. https://twitter.com/GripsedPoker/sta...19574700523521
https://twitter.com/GripsedPoker/sta...53002590343168

Why not try to disprove the allegations in any way? Instead just acting out.. The best would just be to admit it and change his ways?

Yeah I am looking forward to a direct response. Agree with what you said. I guess when you think about it though, when people feel attacked lashing out is a common reaction.

Um, this concerns me some. We do live in the same city, is he gonna come kill me now? Packing heat? The **** you talking about, you just got outta yoga.

Classic fml situation.

some people were saying he was banned no reason why he should be and no evidence for this