As opposed to your wife??

Ba da bump. Is this mic on????

I better stop. BigRick gonna beat crap out of me.

salaries are common/public knowledge and part of regular conversation enough people have access to that information that you couldn't get away with lying about it anymore than lying about your height - i even worked at some companies where they literally had publicly accessible lists of employee info that included salary

hr would come by my desk and say "hey rickroll, we've decided to give you a 10% raise so you'll now earn $11 a year instead of $10 and here's your annual bonus of $100" and then proceed 2 more feet to the person sitting closest to me and loudly say the same thing, I knew she also made $10 a year but she got a 30% raise to $13" - yes it can be a little awkward knowing all this information, but it's really not a big deal once you lose the stigma and because it's all public i know that she accomplished x, y, & z whereas I only accomplished x so I know exactly why she got a bigger raise than I did so it's not "unfair" nor awkward but rather transparent

it was never weird in asia, what's weird is when i'm interacting with a blue collar person in america who hears i work in tech and suddenly starts making a bunch of ignorant assumptions about me being a rich yuppy

frankly, a big reason why we view it as stigma is because companies have conditioned us that way because when it's a secret you can underpay people who don't negotiate well because they are unaware of their true market value

a new member joins the team, over lunch they'll say how much their starting salary is and their colleagues will comment on whether they did a good job negotiating

someone gets a promotion and they take out the team with "hey guys I make an extra 3k now so lunch is on me"

someone has a new boyfriend or girlfriend and they'll mention his or her income as part of the basic details "27, from this city, makes 15k a month as an engineer"

but yeah, keep on with your terrible assumptions and takes on other parts of the world you know fundamentally nothing about, imagine if I just watched Simple Jack and started a thread detailing what your life must be like

I know these are made up numbers, but they're still laughably low.

An executive director only making $250k? lol

Can't not love this girl's personality.

Lol, as it's taboo to talk about here in the US. Not gonna say anymore.

But just a hint, there is a BIG difference between "MANAGING DIRECTOR" (MD) and ED. Smh.

I love it when I'm talking real numbers and one guys talks about $13/hr but then another talks about how quarter of a million is "laughably low". Smh.

If those are real numbers then all those people either have super inflated titles or got low balled real hard.

VP making 190k? Is this job in cereal manufacturing in Indiana or something?

Pray tell, as we are ALL anonymous here, give some of YOUR real world numbers. And be kind enough to not fetch/google it off the internet. If you are not in the industry, don't make up stuff.

Smh. Quarter million a year is too low for this guy.

Dude what industry are YOU referring to???? VP are a dime a dozen on Wall Street.

Geez I don't know I'm even bothering. People! This is WHY you don't discuss salaries in polite company! Spy dude getting all up in a TIZZY about the numbers.

Well first off you might be anonymous, but I'm not.

Also obviously I'm in the tech industry. So when you toss out major Wall Street firm that means NYC which has a comparable COL to the Bay Area hence the compensations are also comparable.

So when then you say Director(doesn't matter any type) personally I don't know a director at any level that makes less than $400k unless you're at some rinky dink no name company and just toss out director titles cause you only have 100 employees.

Level 1 managers start at around 300k. So yeah you're either talking about some 3rd party contractor type company or not in NYC. It's funny that people throw out 250k cause they're not actually in the industry and it sounds like a big number to them.

Edit: So seems maybe you're talking more banking as opposed to tech?
In tech VPs are towards the top and above directors. Maybe this is the opposite in banking? idk. That could be the source of the discrepancy.

seems there's a lot of stuff lwlee has fundamentally no basis of understanding over yet assumes genuine expertise on

he's also the same guy who white knights for mikki mase in the other thread saying he's legit

People! Like I said, there is a REASON why you DON'T talk about salaries in polite company.

"Rinky Dink" salaries starting at $250k. Smh

JPMorgan hikes some software engineering salaries to $300k

Dude, I didn't realize you were discussing Walmart salaries. Yeah that level, everyone knows the numbers. Take minimum wage + $5. No secrets.

But you should try to be more like Spy. Get into tech! Walmart is kinda dead end.

We're a 'polite' company and we talk comp all the time.

But anyways when talking about comp the main factors are location, company, level and role.

So assuming we're talking about tech and NYC/Bay Area, big company(Google, FB, Apple, Amazon, Netflix)

The main differences just comes down to your level and role.

So you got your SWEs, HWEs, PDs, PMs, TPMs and then other support roles like HR, Marketing, Sales, Recruiting.

An L4 SWE will be around $275k while an L5 will be $365k.

An L6 SWE manager will be around $490k-$500k.

Directors will be around $1mil with VPs and SVPs making the big bucks.

So this is the perspective I'm coming from, it's clear now you're talking from a banking perspective or maybe some other industry idk which seems like it's a lot less and the structure is set up where a VP title is more in line w/ maybe a level 1 manager.

wall st people also make way more than what he implied, my friend who works a middle management job at a firm you never heard of recently told me he couldn't imagine living in manhattan at less than 300k a year when we were discussing me moving to nyc

you can also get a good idea of how much they earn looking online, and yes, that also jives with way more than what lwlee believes they make

Spy,
I get you. You get it. You prob figured out that the junior girl doing leetcode moved from Wall Street to Tech. One of buddies moved to Tik Tok with EQUITY. So he doesn't care as much about the salary as what ByteDance will go public at.

All that stuff you just posted is why the 99% hate the 1%. Wage inequalities. Now imagine that stuff being openly discussed in a group of family and friends. Not good.

Better not to talk about it. You will only make rickroll feel bad.

like many asian firms, bytedance gives next to nothing in terms of equity

employees are given the option to buy shares once a year at most recent valuation - ie that vc fund just bought 100k shares at $75 a share, so employees are allowed to match and buy $75 shares

but sure, keep on making statements on stuff you don't know the first thing about

putting you on ignore lwlee, it's quite apparent i need to wait until they make simple jack 2 before i'm acquainted enough with your world in order to engage in terms you can understand

Smh, dude getting upset with me and challenging me every step of the way concerning what people make. It's SAD. Ricky and I were lifelong buddies before we talked about salaries.

Yeah I mean when you factor in the insane cost of living, people living in 'normal' places anywhere else in the country where you can buy a really nice house for $400k-$450k don't understand how big the gap is.

$300k really feels like the bare minimum when a 1100 sq ft 2 bedroom condo costs $1 million and Porsche Cayennes are like Honda CRVs anywhere else.

Spy,
As a proponent of salary should be open and free for everyone to know, please tell us what your current salary is. What your title is. What your bonus was this year.

You gave so much info already. It would enlighten people on here who want to get into the industry and aspire to be like you. You said you were not anonymous so I think we can trust you.

Or would you rather not?

Silence. I guess you would rather not. Must be one of those "American Asians" like Lynne who hated to talk about her money.

If we were having a conversation in person and/or you were one of my friends or family I'd be happy to discuss. Don't see how that is the same as posting every detail of my employment on a public website.

I don't expect a simpleton like you to grasp that difference though.

Don't you have some Mikki shilling to get to?

Ugh, hypocrites. First talking about how salary is open in Asia and there is NO STIGMA in discussing it. Now, it's "Please respect my privacy. I got something to hide".

It's well you should not discuss it in public. Nobody wants to hear how $300k should be the baseline to live in the city when firefighter and police officers have to get by on $80k/year. Seriously no wonder the 99% are attacking the Musks, Zuckerberg and Bezos of the world.

Again not surprisingly you fail to see the difference in permanently posting detailed personal employment information on a public website and simply discussing one's salary in normal conversation among friends and family lol.

Yes I truly am a hypocrite.

This number is also wrong(too low), but yeah they don't make as much as tech workers.

Gawd, you just got to LOVE those out of touch 1%. It probably makes them feel snug at night thinking how everyone is doing well and not struggling.

But when they are challenged, they use word like "Rinky Dinky" to describe a $250K/year job. SMH

How much does Lynne Ji make ?