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Jaime Staples gains PokerStars sponsorship. Jaime Staples gains PokerStars sponsorship.

10-04-2015 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jaimestaples
I'm just sick man. Trying to get back as soon as I can
Undertitle adjusted.
10-05-2015 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
That didn't take long.

After watching him win the $109 last night on the same day he was sponsored I wondered if anyone would make a connection to the site being rigged to favor him now and make the sponsorship worthwhile. In online poker with all the scandals that have taken place (which Dutch Boyd broke down in his stream last night) and the money that was invested to buy PokerStars you would be foolish to insist on any position beyond "anything is possible," so I understand the healthy cynicism -- I just didn't think it would present itself that fast in a "congratulations thread."
I have seen people becoming a sponsored player and running insanely good just the same day in some EPTs. For instance Florian Langmann and Sandra Naujoks in the EPT Dortmund 2009.
10-06-2015 , 07:55 AM
He goes from streaming almost everyday on a regular schedule to not streaming at a including most of WCOOP. Instead tweets memes and says things like following me on Facebook to find out when I'm streaming soon but doesn't actually say when. Busto? Waiting on Subscriber check to come in?
10-06-2015 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
He goes from streaming almost everyday on a regular schedule to not streaming at a including most of WCOOP. Instead tweets memes and says things like following me on Facebook to find out when I'm streaming soon but doesn't actually say when. Busto? Waiting on Subscriber check to come in?
Or just burned out/enjoying life? Streaming every day is exhausting, especially in poker where it's about your livelihood, not like if you stream tetris for the lolz.
10-06-2015 , 11:45 AM
Would like to see Jamie adopt a healthier lifestyle as his continued streaming is good for the game.

Stop that vaping shyte, play standing up for stretches, mix in a 3-day fast each month, and get some exercise.
10-06-2015 , 04:00 PM
clearly anyone getting a sponsorship deal will need to have a twitch stream. I think his channel is very boring and he is a very mediocre tourney player however you can't argue with the amount of followers he has. PS gets very little value from some of its sponsored pros.
10-07-2015 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AvoidMe?
Or just burned out/enjoying life? Streaming every day is exhausting, especially in poker where it's about your livelihood, not like if you stream tetris for the lolz.
My guess would be burnout and from the outside it looked like something that would happen for a while. Taking days off, doing no chat periods during streams. It has to be tiring to be in front of those lights and around a thousand viewers every time you stream. Coming off with the same crap non stop day after day, answering questions where the answer already exist below the stream.

Plus, for the good start to twitch poker, it's insignificant to twitch compared to streams in other categories. Aside from Jcarver.
10-08-2015 , 07:15 AM
I wouldn't stream any more than two days a week. It looks very stressful, repetitive and boring.
10-08-2015 , 08:01 AM
Indeed.

That said I was watching Matt Staples last night and he was under the impress that Jaime was 94% to be streaming today.
10-08-2015 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Undertitle adjusted.
Haha thanks for this

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Originally Posted by JPantz
He goes from streaming almost everyday on a regular schedule to not streaming at a including most of WCOOP. Instead tweets memes and says things like following me on Facebook to find out when I'm streaming soon but doesn't actually say when. Busto? Waiting on Subscriber check to come in?


Nah seriously though man I am human, and get sick sometimes. I try and keep my social media active around the clock because thats what people with big social media's do. I'm trying to provide value even when I'm not actively playing. I wouldn't read into it more then that. This is the furthest from busto I have ever been.

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Originally Posted by AvoidMe?
Or just burned out/enjoying life? Streaming every day is exhausting, especially in poker where it's about your livelihood, not like if you stream tetris for the lolz.
Avoid knows you can burn out sometimes. Happens. Mine was a physical burn out though.
10-09-2015 , 01:30 AM
As a professional poker player, and being sponsored to stream, what is your justification for soliciting and accepting donations? Aren't the extra twitch subscriptions enough?
10-09-2015 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by pokeraz
As a professional poker player, and being sponsored to stream, what is your justification for soliciting and accepting donations? Aren't the extra twitch subscriptions enough?
I am providing a stream for free. If people don't think it's worth anything to them it can of course be free. However some people find it provides value to them in the form of either advice or entertainment. If they want to support my broadcast by sending me a donation, I think they should be able to do that.

When I'm watching a stream, my own personal metric is if someone has provided me an hour of entertainment, I usually want to ship them 5 bucks for it. I recognize I'm in the minority on that but instead of paying $100 a month for a cable package, or paying for a movie ticket, I watch amateur broadcasters playing video games. (well I do all of those but you know what I mean.)

Also the word "enough" is not the way I think. I have never been a "make enough", or "just be successful enough", or "just get good enough at poker" kind of person. I want to be as successful as I can and it's the reason I have worked so hard to get to where I am on Twitch. I am obsessed with climbing the mountain and constantly improving which has been something my three passions in life have all had in common. (Golf, Poker Twitch, all never ending games that you can constantly improve in.) It's how the best in any industry get to be where they are at the top, and it's what drives me to hopefully have a huge stream one day. The financial side of business feels very much like poker in that the actual $'s utility is not what drives people. Earning people's support is just a way to denote that someone liked your **** enough to give you $5 for it. It's the earning it which is way more fun then having it.

There is no question that I strive to grow my stream as big as possible and I don't view that as a bad thing. I want to provide value. Whether that is entertainment, strategy, a way to pass the time, whatever it is, I want more people to find me talking about poker useful and yes that will equate to more money.

I can understand the angle you are coming from with this question fwiw and I think you have what Twitch is wrong. It is a fremium economy. "Free to watch, support is appreciated" is the standard across almost all streams.
10-09-2015 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by pokeraz
As a professional poker player, and being sponsored to stream, what is your justification for soliciting and accepting donations? Aren't the extra twitch subscriptions enough?
10-09-2015 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by pokeraz
As a professional poker player, and being sponsored to stream, what is your justification for soliciting and accepting donations? Aren't the extra twitch subscriptions enough?
It's more than that now. Jaime is now selling action at something like 2.50 and saying that it is like giving a donation to him !
10-09-2015 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by NellyV
It's more than that now. Jaime is now selling action at something like 2.50 and saying that it is like giving a donation to him !
Market forces.

If idiots want to take on horrible action then it's their own fault that they lose money. There are much better value bets available. As with everything else it's up to the individual to decide value for money bets.

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Originally Posted by pokeraz
As a professional poker player, and being sponsored to stream, what is your justification for soliciting and accepting donations? Aren't the extra twitch subscriptions enough?
Again, although I've begun to find the majority of poker steams incredibly dull, and not a worth the money, if someone finds some satisfaction in giving their money away to an Internet pan handler (TM Ducksauce) then why would the streamer not accept? It's like stacking a fish at the tables, you gladly accept the donations and hope they stay at the table to give more away.

Personally I am never giving a donation to someone unless they do something heroic and that just isn't going to happen on a twitch stream.

I do wish streamers would stop lecturing about ******* though. They don't have to put up with the repetitive ads. Also, if you try to check around streams on a mobile device you get a 30 second add on each change. That's ****ing ridiculous on twitches part. Thankfully it is easy to skip the bulk of the ad.
10-09-2015 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NellyV
It's more than that now. Jaime is now selling action at something like 2.50 and saying that it is like giving a donation to him !
2.5 Mu ?
I guess his real name must be Isai Stapelberg.

But besides that, really entertaining stream with much value for people who want to learn mtt-play.
10-09-2015 , 10:04 AM
I'm not charging any markup, I am auctioning 10% of my biggest tournament every day (starting at 1.0) and it goes to the highest bidder. Yesterday was my first one so it went crazy and got 2.54MU.

I get emails every day asking for this so I offered it. As boylegend alludes to, I tell people multiple times on the stream that there is better buys then mine! That is very clear to everyone just some people want the sweat.
10-09-2015 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jaimestaples
I'm not charging any markup, I am auctioning 10% of my biggest tournament every day (starting at 1.0) and it goes to the highest bidder. Yesterday was my first one so it went crazy and got 2.54MU.

I get emails every day asking for this so I offered it. As boylegend alludes to, I tell people multiple times on the stream that there is better buys then mine! That is very clear to everyone just some people want the sweat.
Aint no shame in your game. Hell if you can average 2 MU then you can sell half the action and play for free. That is really the dream, have other people PAY you to play poker.

Why not?
Dont ever let naysayers try to cap your income!!!
10-09-2015 , 11:24 AM
Jaime, you don't have to defend yourself. Haters gonna hate
10-09-2015 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jaimestaples
I'm not charging any markup, I am auctioning 10% of my biggest tournament every day (starting at 1.0) and it goes to the highest bidder. Yesterday was my first one so it went crazy and got 2.54MU.

I get emails every day asking for this so I offered it. As boylegend alludes to, I tell people multiple times on the stream that there is better buys then mine! That is very clear to everyone just some people want the sweat.
You are taking advantage of the twitch audience who don't understand that 2.54 is a ridiculous price and that you are not a very profitable player at the higher stakes.
10-09-2015 , 12:10 PM
That Twitch audience is volunteering the extra funds for the fun of being involved and in support of a streamer they like and appreciate. It has nothing to do with value.

I was just at the Barrett Jackson Auto Auction in Vegas where someone paid $500,000 for a new car with maybe a $150,000 sticker since it was a charity auction.

In both cases someone is overpaying in order to offer support.
10-09-2015 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
That Twitch audience is volunteering the extra funds for the fun of being involved and in support of a streamer they like and appreciate. It has nothing to do with value.

I was just at the Barrett Jackson Auto Auction in Vegas where someone paid $500,000 for a new car with maybe a $150,000 sticker since it was a charity auction.

In both cases someone is overpaying in order to offer support.
That's true of the donations but I feel that Jaime is taking advantage of his audience's lack of knowledge of the actual value of what he is offering with this staking strategy. OK it's caveat emptor but it does not seem very ethical for a Pokerstars sponsored pro to do this.
10-09-2015 , 12:46 PM
We have to agree to disagree there. Jaime is not setting the price and he is quite open and honest with his audience on the value. I consider those bidding to be the same as donors. They get a bonus sweat for the donation.
10-09-2015 , 01:00 PM
It's simple supply and demand. Jamie has nothing to do with the price. If he doesn't do the auction, people get mad, he does the auction, people get mad. You just can win....
10-09-2015 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
We have to agree to disagree there. Jaime is not setting the price and he is quite open and honest with his audience on the value. I consider those bidding to be the same as donors. They get a bonus sweat for the donation.

We can reasonably assume that the stakers want money back otherwise they would simply donate. They just do not have the information to know what a fair price is. They see Jaime is a Pokerstars pro and assume that he is a good winning player. Jaime was not sponsored by Pokerstars because he is a winning player but because he has a twitch audience and they wanted to get into twitch.

      
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