I played in my first ever poker live stream this week. I was involved in a big hand where I ended up folding AK pre-flop. The commentators were disappointed, and the chat mostly chastised me and said I shouldn't be on the stream. I explain my thought process in this video (jump to 9:21 if you don't want to watch the whole thing). Is my reasoning valid?

Link: https://youtu.be/-RSf8axc9tU

Lol. Mask wearing nit. Awful fold. If you are scared money taking shots then just flat the 4b and go from there. You are playing close to 400bb deep and you fold AKs pre ip. Wouldn't give much weight to the talk about mixing and having nuts either.

Wow, harsh, but no untrue.

Why not flat & see a flop here?

If an A or K lands then with your holding you are reducing him to one combo of AA / KK in either scenario - you've already got a solid read on him having a strong pair so you can play your hand appropriately from there & if you get a club heavy or QJ board then you've got draws offering huge value at your stack depth - particularly as you've narrowed his range so you'd know he had a real hand there.

I'd be more worried about airing the logic of your approach here publicly on youtube - if I watch that and then play with you the following week I'm telling you that "I only 4 bet when I have the nuts" and then I'm picking off your 3 bets all night.

Pray tell why can't he just call the 4 bet?

A fold is pretty standard here I think. Like you aren't beating anything in a reasonable 4-bet range. Your getting crushed by AA or KK. Your best case scenario is basically running into AK.

Like if you think the player is capable of making moves, it's probably a 5 bet/get it in, but if he's playing reasonable then he only has hands that beat you.

People forget that AK is technically a bluff hand (you are trying to rep AA or KK).

If he's playing reasonable, he'll have bluffs . The 5 bet bluffing range would be something like AKs some AKo and some AQS

AQS is never a 5 bet. Maybe heads up or if you are doing it exploitative.

Like how many people really have bluffs from the SB vs a HJ 3-bet vs 1st to act? Sure like HJvsCO3bet or COvsDP you can A-4/A-5(s) bluffs, but even still, in reality the majority of people don't make moves like that.

Like if you have a dynamic w/ the player than I would jam AK, as I said. But when you look at how most people play their hands pre-flop, a bluff seems pretty unlikely. And therefore the OP is probably beat, and the fold is relatively standard.

OP 5-bet shipped ATs for 200 BB earlier in the stream. He's allowed to fold AK pre.

It’s very marginal. I think people calling it awful are exaggerating or don’t understand how tight you’re supposed to continue here after opening EP and facing a cold 4-bet. Like pretty much only AKs, KK+, mixed AKo. QQ should pure fold.

You shouldn’t have calls in this spot getting horrible pot odds and not closing action.

Who were the commentators for this episode?

TBH some commentators have an awful feel for the game, and no understanding from an individual players perspective, therefore, very little qualifies them as experts.

I would take their bs with a grain of salt, unless they're a professional player themselves, who may enjoy getting some action in.

I think the big issue here is taking the comment from TJ too literally. If youve watched any of the lodge live streams with Mixson before he can get pretty OOL and has done some whaley things before (as we can see here peeling against the cold 4 bet with KQo, which is pretty lol). Pretty annoying spot and can't fault you for folding, considering you come from more of a 1/2 live background and facing anything less than QQ+ is rare in this spot at those stakes. I still prolly just rip in AKs here myself but don't think folding is that egregious.

I dont think you are supposed to take strategy advice from your viewers lol.

Have you seen the players? They need advice from wherever they cab get it

LOL @ folding AKs in live stream and think people won't roast you for it.

I would say you should try to play your best and not worry what stream thinks. Most of them just want to see a train wreck.

hard to say without context IE what was the action before OP 5bet but that sounds rather ambitious.

Why go on stream then?

Because the lineups are hand picked and generally way better than a standard game of the same limits.


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good question

from what i've seen the analysis from the commentators at the lodge is pretty awful, im not even sure they can beat the games they announce. stop worrying so much about how they/chat perceives you. the others players perception of you is the only thing that matters, and if they see you as a nit or overfolding you can actually use that to your advantage.

gonna actually watch the vid but let me say i hate the SB button bonus crap

The ATs hand seems pretty bad if im understanding the action correctly UTG raised then hero raised from the HJ and SB raises to 60 BBs. SB should have a super strong range This is texas though, so E is probably not playing anywhere close to optimal and has a much weaker range then he should. So good on hero for picking up on that. As far as the AK hand goes i think from a balance standpoint you can fold there some but not often.

Imagine saying someone is wearing a mask as an insult. LOL

Without a mask, he's a Covid spreading nit!