https://youtu.be/2FmCcHP8FUU

Bart Hanson has weighted in on the subject and it looks like the Hustler crew is sticking together on this one.

Even though the whole internet has spoken out against it.

I never thought I'd see the day where Bart Hanson is not just defending the angle shooting but rather promoting it...


Edit:

Well actually...

You've got Nick the Nit who makes Grant Cardone look like an angel.

They couldn't wait to get Armenian "Joke bet" Mike on the show. Well knows for angle shooting but they just look the other way.

Busto Angle Bunny shooting her angles and doing her best to make it look like an innocent mistake.
Man Nick really went in to bat for her on her angle shooting scenario. Nick defended her angle shooting honour to the end.

And now the world champion of video poker Bart Hanson is defending Nick of all people. It's obvious who pays who in that relationship

So recent events are not entirely unexpected.

They are expected.

Angle shooting is standard procedure over at Hustler.

Pshh

Unbelievable

Bart just completely ignores the fact Charles calls w Ak high only and doesn’t know for certain if he is good.. that’s the whole crux of the situation and Bart made a long video and just never mentions it.

What makes it all the more greasy & slimey is the fact that Garrett had 2 minutes to decide what he was going to do if Charles called.

Even after Charles used a time chip everything Garrett did was premeditated and thought out.

Part of the angle is the time pressure applied to Charles at showdown.

It's so sleazy and sinister to have the statement "just say you want to see my hand" prepared in advance.

Haven't watched the video but yeah idk why Garret is always so reluctant to show his hand when he gets called. Just show or muck. Seems even more bizarre considering he's playing in a live streamed game.

If the position were reversed , there’s no way in hell nick or bart would be defending Charles. Real ***** hypocrites.

Does he talk about real estate investing and how to scam people out of their life savings? If not he should. Word is he is excellent at it.

Its not angle shoot, it is just habit in LA. I got hand with him before when i was bluffing and i showed my bluff then he told me "you dont have to show your hand you know right"

Holy ****, talk about much ado about nothing.

This is kinda sad that Bart would even try to defend Garrett. The situation is black and white. If you’re operating outside the rules, it’s an angle (albeit a minor one).

Well Bart did see those speaking out against it are low and level donks that dont understand high stakes etiquette

Bart’s referring to a situation where someone says you’re good and you fast roll to save the person face. Which I agree w. When you have at least a pair.

The problem here is that Charles is so light that he could lose to a pair. So ya it makes sense for Charles to be doing the showdown dance in this instance. He literally could lose to 6th pair turned into a bluff.

That’s why he’s waiting for garret to show. It’s not even to gain any information he literally just wants to make sure he’s good. Barts also just lumping it in w what Wesley did on prior shows which was intended to gain info and embarrass the bluffer at showdown.

Which I don’t think is the case given Charles hand strength.

Also the weirdest part is the pros pro doesn’t just show his bluffs and actually says “just ask me if you want to see my hand”

But I also agree this is a bunch of nothingness

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...ates_bout_how/

An interesting comment string here, starting with

“Bart has come out with a video where he sticks up for vertucci, blindly repeats that poker etiquette says Garrett should not have had to show his hand without justifying why, and then condescends low stakes live players… his core customers. Lost a lot of respect for Bart after that video”

You think Bart is wrong when he says low stakes players dont understand high stakes etiquette? Also TBC im not a high stakes or live player

All Bart did was state the obvious that everyone knows…

This situation is nuanced bc Charles is holding a weak hand.

The better your hand the faster you should show it in this spot.

If Charles had the nuts it would have been completely poor etiquette . If Charles had 2nd pair it would be a slightly poor etiquette. Since Charles had a little more than air it’s really not that bad at all.

Saying, "You're good," when caught bluffing is not an angle at all. It is a totally standard and acceptable thing to do. What would make it an angle is if Garrett had even a slim possibility of actually being good. In that case he would be tricking the loser to show their hand when they shouldn't have to, which WOULD be an angle. I trust that Garrett understands the etiquette enough that he wouldn't do this if he had a pair.

This thread wouldn't exist except that his opponent hesitated to show because he was genuinely concerned Garrett may have been bluffing with the best hand. So basically nobody did anything wrong.

That being said, if you tell someone they're good and they don't immediately flip over their hand, then it's up to you to show or muck and not waste time. Delaying is annoying (but still not an angle).

In most cases the person breaching etiquette would have been Garrett's opponent, for not showing the winner after he was told he was good. This is usually an attempt to make your opponent muck so you don't have to show YOUR hand, simply to avoid giving away information, which is considered mildly rude. However in this case his response was totally understandable, and not rude at all, because if Garrett is about to muck the best hand after he was called you can and should let him.

Anyway, the people who are acting like Garrett is a scumbag and angle shooter over this instance are WAY out of line.

Let me start by saying this is a nothing burger.

BUT, your quote is exactly where there’s a misunderstanding. It was not a simple delay.

Per normal rules, the only proper outcomes in this exact situation are:

1) Garrett mucks and Charles mucks
2) Garrett shows and Charles shows

The fact is that Garrett (minorly) ANGLED to try to muck* while forcing Charles to show.

* Saying “you’re good” while holding onto his cards, ergo, not truly mucking.

I understand what you're saying, that you could call this an "angle" in the most technical sense.

What I'm taking issue with is that calling something an angle implies that it is a dirty or dishonest play, even if it is technically within the rules, and IMO this is far from that.

Saying, "You're good," after being caught bluffing has been normal and acceptable part of live poker for as long as I've been playing. It's more of a face-saving thing. You were bluffing, you acknowledge it and the other player shows their hand and wins. It's poor form to force someone to show the bluff.

Garrett was following the proper etiquette when he said you're good, regardless of what the rules say about the proper procedure after a call. Certainly that's the way it is in California. Now the whole stand off thing is another issue.

Anyway, I typically try not to get dragged into this sort of meaningless discussion. It's just not right the way people in this thread who seemingly don't understand the nuances of the etiquette are trashing both Garrett and multiple commentators who have a better understanding of the norms in HS live poker.

I think you get it, but read some of these other posts. They're just misleading any new players who might be reading this. The second post in the thread pretty much sums it up.

I meant the second post in the thread sums up my perspective. I'm talking about the one by RMBXR9. I just reread my post and it read like I was saying he was misleading new players. That's not what I meant.

IMO a real angle is what gary tried to pull on andy at LAB a few weeks back

What had happened

ill try to find a vid but gary called andy's all in and was told multiple times that andy had him covered. Andy wins hand and gary acts confused as to why he has to give Andy all his chips

no chance would garret ever say "you're good" with a pair.

if Charles is 'good' = muck your hand!

took me awhile but found it

Nittucci needs to put up or shut up, he's a waste of a seat at the table he's such a nit!