2p2 legend ChicagoJoey PLO Podcasts (PLO and Poker Life episodes)
06-29-2015
, 10:49 AM
Talked to him in Rio hallway when it was 7 handed on break and gave him some positive vibes and some extended podcast run good
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Going back and rewatching Joey's video with Brian Hastings, it is pretty obvious that Joe knows about the multi accounting. Given how vocal Joe is about seat scripters, I find it extremely lame how he talks **** about seat scripters but laughs off multi accounting which is worse than seat scripting imo.
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Eh, MastaAces is just speaking the truth. Joey spends a lot of time on his podcast criticizing people for seat scripting, bumhunting or playing as a "team", so of course it's incredibly hypocritical when he suddenly thinks multi accounting is fine. Joey's credibility is basically gone.
After talking with 50+ people out here involved in the high stakes world in some capacity, the overall feeling seems to be brian is an idiot, this type of stuff and much more shady stuff happens all the time, not sure how to solve the issue.
06-29-2015
, 11:02 AM
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I watched it when it first came out. At the time, it might have taken BH flat out saying "I'm multi-accounting to get a big edge on guys who don't know they're playing me" to think anything was up. Joey's podcasts often have HS guys on making comments about "we shouldn't discuss some stuff on air". I may just roll my eyes a little and think that if they didn't want to talk, they shouldn't have brought it up. Part of the charm? I didn't re-watch. Maybe it would be more clear. If I had just thought BH was VPN-ing and hadn't considered that he was playing people with unequal knowledge, I would have thought it was dumb but wouldn't have thought anyone was really getting hurt. I would have thought it was unfair that some people had to move when he didn't, because that's unfair. Still watching the first time, I didn't think anyone clearly admitted anything.
Along the lines of more clear, you play in those games, right? Your belief is that anyone who knows anything about anyone should immediately come out with it in public. So if you're aware of anyone (this includes good personal friends, no slack there) doing anything disliked on the forum, you're going to say it loudly and in public. You wouldn't accept an excuse like "everyone I play knows who I am, and minor ToS stuff is between Stars and me." I think this is admirable. Just want everyone to be on record that full public disclosure is the standard. Otherwise, we all get to say "despicable stance to take" later.
I'm not saying this is unreasonable. It seems a high standard, and I could see reasonable people taking less severe stances. Just want to be clear it is your take at this point.
Along the lines of more clear, you play in those games, right? Your belief is that anyone who knows anything about anyone should immediately come out with it in public. So if you're aware of anyone (this includes good personal friends, no slack there) doing anything disliked on the forum, you're going to say it loudly and in public. You wouldn't accept an excuse like "everyone I play knows who I am, and minor ToS stuff is between Stars and me." I think this is admirable. Just want everyone to be on record that full public disclosure is the standard. Otherwise, we all get to say "despicable stance to take" later.
I'm not saying this is unreasonable. It seems a high standard, and I could see reasonable people taking less severe stances. Just want to be clear it is your take at this point.
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Joey its a way bigger deal for someone like Stinger to do this than everyone else bc of how elite of a player he is. Your justification that a lot of other people are doing this is completely illogical when you take this into consideration. The impact of a tough 10/20 reg MA'ing is minimal compared to a top 50 PLO/mixed game player like Brian doing this.
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Perhaps Joey cant out BH or criticize him because BH can do likewise to Joey. I do like Joey podcasts a lot but not treating BH the way he would other people makes him lose a lot of credibility and integrity. I will continue to watch the podcast but the stance here is a little disappointing from someone whose work I do enjoy.
The only possible things for this def would be nothing poker related. I am not sorry I do not treat a friend of mine like a treat someone I have no relationship with outside of playing against me on 6 accounts
gg credibility and integrity
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Ok after watching that a couple of times hmm.
yeah Joey is just being a good friend to Brian, but even he would see how this comment is just bs, because had he been BERRI SWEET and done 5 figures to someone multi accounting him, he would be saying the total opposite, but because it was his friend and the multi accounting vs not vs joey, his views on this subject are bias and pretty sure he understands this now.
yeah Joey is just being a good friend to Brian, but even he would see how this comment is just bs, because had he been BERRI SWEET and done 5 figures to someone multi accounting him, he would be saying the total opposite, but because it was his friend and the multi accounting vs not vs joey, his views on this subject are bias and pretty sure he understands this now.
06-29-2015
, 11:10 AM
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About 30 mins into Stinger MA podcast.
Many of joeys answers are cut short because you don't want to throw anyone else under the bus. Has been a trend for many of the people at higher stakes who know something. Just need one person to slip up and I think that the rest will fall like dominos, a mass calling out of MA
Many of joeys answers are cut short because you don't want to throw anyone else under the bus. Has been a trend for many of the people at higher stakes who know something. Just need one person to slip up and I think that the rest will fall like dominos, a mass calling out of MA
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pretty much this ... not saying the whole situation (w/ BH) is cool / acceptable, but neither is Joey is a news site, nor was he responsible for the MA - also listening to the newest podcast so far (25mins), i don't see, that he is defending anyone but rather, that he's wondering, why every one seems so surprised ... 
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he's not defending MA'ing, he'
s just acknowledging that MA'ing and VPN'ing is pretty standard on all networks these days due to the prohibitive legislative climate in various countries. and some people take it a step further and do it with more nefarious intentions than to just be able to play in games they ordinarily wouldn't be allowed to play in.
like, what do you guys want from him? a universal condemnation of online poker and a vow to end his friendship with the guy? get real
edit: intentions are a huge element to this sort of thing (i am of the opinion that brian's intentions were only mildly nefarious at worst) and unfortunately some people break the rules to get an edge over their competitors, but that's life in all industries and certainly not unique to poker.
s just acknowledging that MA'ing and VPN'ing is pretty standard on all networks these days due to the prohibitive legislative climate in various countries. and some people take it a step further and do it with more nefarious intentions than to just be able to play in games they ordinarily wouldn't be allowed to play in.
like, what do you guys want from him? a universal condemnation of online poker and a vow to end his friendship with the guy? get real
edit: intentions are a huge element to this sort of thing (i am of the opinion that brian's intentions were only mildly nefarious at worst) and unfortunately some people break the rules to get an edge over their competitors, but that's life in all industries and certainly not unique to poker.
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anybody who still plays online poker for a living or makes decent money doing it does it with the full awareness that this type of stuff goes on and you have to be vigilant and watch out for yourself. the VPN'ing/MA'ing is not such a big deal on a network like ipoker because anybody is allowed to make like 8 diff accounts on all the various skins and you never really know who you're playing anyway. it sucks, but it's 100% gonna be this way while people in various countries are locked out of certain networks due to their geographical location.
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what he's saying is that anybody who plays online poker is a victim of this sort of thing, oftentimes without us even knowing. it sucks, but some of us are just more realistic with our mentality and we don't get all outraged about it when it happens.
some people may disagree with me, and that's fine, but it seems pretty clear that brian wasn't MA'ing to specifically get an edge from certain people or to get action from those who had refused him in the past. the whole "he got practice before the bracelet bets tho, i naively assumed he was just gonna book that action being super rusty and out of shape, so i'm mad" is kinda ridiculous imo.
edit: i do agree that it's somewhat poor form to snap up an account that had prior history as a fun player, but i would imagine that random accounts are not in huge supply and it's a massive risk to use his own.
some people may disagree with me, and that's fine, but it seems pretty clear that brian wasn't MA'ing to specifically get an edge from certain people or to get action from those who had refused him in the past. the whole "he got practice before the bracelet bets tho, i naively assumed he was just gonna book that action being super rusty and out of shape, so i'm mad" is kinda ridiculous imo.
edit: i do agree that it's somewhat poor form to snap up an account that had prior history as a fun player, but i would imagine that random accounts are not in huge supply and it's a massive risk to use his own.
I'm not saying any of this **** is not bad to do. I had my OMG WTF outrage years ago when I realized this is how things worked on all of the sites. At this point I don't have that outrage anymore because it doesn't look like most of the sites give a **** about any of it. You can either quit or accept it and make the best of it that you can.
06-29-2015
, 11:49 AM
06-29-2015
, 11:54 AM
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lol THAT'S your source?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...hasha-1437114/
ya, this guy really has a clue
doesn't he have like 200 posts in the nvg thread about this?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...hasha-1437114/
ya, this guy really has a clue
doesn't he have like 200 posts in the nvg thread about this?
Well does he look like he knew it was Brian playing on the account?
06-29-2015
, 12:27 PM
06-29-2015
, 01:04 PM
06-29-2015
, 01:16 PM
I'm a guy who prefers proof. gl with all this carry on