I think people feel Dneg was disrespected because they saw he wasnt as knowledgeable as some people assumed it was similar to that moment when your parents can no longer help you with your homework beacuse they dont understand it, and pointing that fact out to them shouldnt be seen as disrespectful when their advice may harm you.

No one likes to see their hero looking vulnerable or out of place. That being said Dneg wants to do whats right but he may not know how to go about it. But at least he is available to listen unlike his employer.

The sad truth people are starting to realize is based on what Dneg was hinting at he is more likely writing that 3rd blog he mentioned that wasnt going to be very good news I believe he refered to it as his apologetic version.

when the faq did joe rogan become some beacon of ethics??

What the hell are you talking about? One host is able to articulate his views in an intelligent manner. The other cannot. It's not a good look when you tell your guest that he doesn't know **** and then be unable to form one coherent sentence about what he doesn't know about. Preperation. You think its a bad analogy because you miss the point and focus on the most irrelevant part.

whoa… not sure how I insulted anybody and if I did, was not my intent and apologize. I have alot of respect for online grinders… high volume or not. its hard work on and off the tables.

in actuality I am trying to help affected players get what they appear to deserve and have already earned. Some would rather not listen and just call me a shill, etc etc.

Players will never get what they want if they can't first articulate the issue in business terms vs poker terms. Business terms is the language of AYA decision makers more so than BB/100.

Q1 …. Loan Convenants. follow the money. we were about to get some juicy details from a new poster that appeared to have some interesting info but @uradodooface ran him off before we got to the nitty gritty and he stopped posting.

lol

really can't even imagine caring about DN being "disrespected" by this.

Jo rogan has been apart of fight media for over 10 years and its not uncommon for him to do 8 hour days worth of interviews, not to mention his 5 year long podcast, so no s.... he does a more coordinated and professional interview than the 30 year old poker player streaming on youtube thats not getting paid 6 figures for it.

Take your own advice and focus on the message he's trying to get across rather than how he presents it. Btw he was able to articulate his point its not his fault the recipient couldnt grasp it. good day sir

51:40 and yes I watched the whole thing. Good day sir.

Like I said before. Joe Rogan can go **** himself. And someone can suk my chocodick. You included. Hope you like spice and chocolate. No punches pulled. Real talk.

Ingram called a spade a spade and yeah he was sweating on the podcast. When have you seen Joey sweat before? Prob never. On any podcast. This was the most important podcast ever and maybe he felt the intensity on his forehead. So what, natural, Negs might be the most intimidating guest Joey ever had. (for the 2nd half of cast)

Did Negs pretend he knew everything? No!!!! He kept referring to Asky. And so did Joey. Who gives a ****.You? **** off. No else cares about your opinion. Only 1% of people would call out Negs in that position and fair play to Joey for doin so.

I dont care if the guest is the pope of mother ****in bethleham. If he dont know ****. You tell him he dont know ****. Joey did that. Fair play to Joey. Both of them were sucking some Asnky dick. So what. You have no argument here imo.

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time for ae mf jones please.

If you wannaa discuss more RS pm me, I own this **** and see through the pussyhole bs. come at me g. TopPair2Pair businessman insta soulreader for life alday anyday anyone.

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The Real.

No, I think its just stupid to call somebody out and then when they ask for specifics on why you are calling them misinformed, you then backpedal and go "b-b-but like Ansky will be here and knows more than me about this! Like just ask Ansky man. C-c-can Ansky join the podcast??!"

this is true, Joey has admitted he doesn't prepare at all sometimes just turns on the camera and its go time but he is not making money off doing these podcast/conversations so i don't really think he cares to much at all about being "professional" since its not his job/source of income. he is pretty much the only person in the poker world doing live stream podcasts/conversations so he is getting huge amounts of views no matter how unprepared or how good he able to form a sentence not everyone can take the thoughts in there head and then articulate it in a nice sentence on the spot on a live stream, in the end he got Dnegs on a ********** to talk about the pokerstars issues and without Joe would anyone have heard Dnegs speak on this? keep on keep on Joey you've put out mass content and if anyone thinks they can do a better job at what Joey is doing why don't they do it themselves??

Sorry, but when you decide to make yourself a live streamer / content creator, you subject yourself to this kind of criticism. I dont think anybody is calling him out for being unprepared or not professional, its just stupid to call somebody out and then make yourself look like an idiot when he asks why.

Oh dear. I should not be signed in to tpt when intoxicated on phone.

Apologies for bringing that finger thug life and penis references to thread

Is this you?
http://youtu.be/7yeNXzaqLA4

Joey, please lift up from your huds and poker analytics for a just a sec and check your email

I totally agree on the Dnegs thing i laughed when watching it (you don't know, what don't i know, uhhblagagauuhhuhhh i dunno)
Joey has said he likes to hear the constructive criticism and pretty sure he doesn't cry like a little girl when he reads it lol but a majority of the people in this thread think he does a top notch amazing job. myself many times i have thought he's been majorly unprepared he even tells people i don't know anything about you i barely even googled your name..so tell me about yourself but thats Joey's style i guess, i would assume he does do a little basic google'ing or social media searches beforehand but he has said this to multiple people he's had on his podcast i'm pretty sure

That's the definition of "unprepared". Jesus. Not that I'm bashing him, I'm just calling you out!!!!!!!!!! I thought the podcast benefited from Joey not knowing and getting Ansky on to do their thing. Ansky's obviously going to be much more knowledgeable and passionate about the subject because it actually affects him.

I have no real opinion on his podcast as I've only ever watched the Ben86 and the 3 Ansky podcasts.

Joey wasn't out of line at all. The exasperation you saw was the same thing you see when Sam Harris is talking to a creationist and realizing that the guy doesn't understand anything he's saying.

I don't get all the DNegs fanboys, he doesn't deserve praise, he's playing the politician, trying to appeal to the players while keeping the Amaya paycheck rolling in.

Jesus ****ing Christ people, you actually play poker?

This is great, 1.5 years ago I was playing the untracked euro sites with no idea where my poker life would go. And here we are discussing whether me telling DN he doesn't understand online poker and how my answer to him asking why was what it was.


I really do love the feedback good or bad ITT. In terms of being prepared for that specific instance, of course I didn't prepare for the reasons why I think DN doesn't understand something. I was under the impression he had a pretty good understanding of things going into it. Previously in the podcast during our back and forths on different topics I had said that I didn't think he really understood a couple things. That should have been my answer again to that question when he asked Why? If I answered that question in the moment with what I was first thinking it would have taken the conversation to a couple different places I didn't really want to take it. For example, I say you don't get this (as previously discussed earlier) then he says this this this, i say that that that, he says this, i say that, we spend 5-10 mins on something we both already said most likely, I say I also don't understand this (as previously discussed) then we do that again. I chose to go with I just really don't think you understand, at that point in the conversation I wasn't that engaged as it was a lot of the same answers, I wanted to move on from it. This reminds me of breaking down a HH after the fact.

I think I was very prepared to discuss the major talking points on the changes, in terms of breaking down what he says Ansky style or asking some level 7 question obviously not. I think I understand the changes and the impact and can have a great discussion about them better than 99% of people. But that 1% of people will be much better at it than I would be. I don't mind the expectations that a lot of people seem to have for things. It makes it a bit of a challenge in a world that doesn't have many for me right now.


I can see how it might seem that way if this was me having on a person that I had no relationship with and then brought Ansky into it. I think that is the positive of having better than average relationships with many different people is that in an instance like this I can bring someone like Ansky into it. Those two have had many private conversations together over the past month about the same things we were discussing and I had brought up the idea after the chat was going crazy asking for it earlier and he seemed very fine with it. DN is a pro at doing this type of stuff. I was pretty hesitant to the idea the first time it was brought up but I thought we reached a point where it wasn't going to really go much further and he seemed to not mind at all if I brought Ansky in. If I thought there was any hesitation on his end to the idea either time I wouldn't have done it.

Joey I haven't listen to your podcast that much. When I have listened to on the whole you have been pretty good and not just getting into a pointless arguments and have kept the chat on point.


Just wanted to say I think the way you handle the negative criticism is really good it's not easy to do when sometimes it's unfair (bit saying it was either way in this case).

It was/is clear that Daniel doesnt understand the online poker world where rakeback is really important to a grinder, rake has sucked all profit from most formats apart from MTT's.

Joey is smart and it would of been hard to explain it to Daniel without sounding patronizing, and it was clearly just going to go round in circles. Daniel was always going to say yeah i know or i understand x x and x but there is this thing that i cant talk about and all will be better.

Really dont get the hate for Joey, he doesnt even play on stars and is doing more than most regarding the changes.

Assuming I agree with you it doesn't change the fact Dneg didn't know anything about olp ecology or about a promotion system implemented by the company he's worked for over tens years does it? NO!

Everybody is repeating it here again, 'DN doesn't know anything about the poker ecology. Why is that? whats so hard to understand? Im sure he ''knows'' more than many posters ITT, he got access to people and data that we do not have. Just because you disagree or play 200 hours a month online does not make you an expert on the subject.

'Disrespected' was probably not the right word to choose, but I just found it bit awkward, that Joey kept saying he did not know anything about online poker. Why even bother to discuss the subject with him if he is clueless to start out with? its just silly to counter Daniels points and arguments with ''yeah but you don't know poker'' It just shows poor debate skills from Joey.

Having said that I do agree with Ansky on most points, and I see through the BS Amaya is trying to make us believe, and see the changes for what it is; a rake increase to increase there profits.

Anyway thanks for responding Joey, It was just constructive criticism from my end. You are still awesome

Came off a bit unprofessional to me as that made complete clear sense what Daniel was saying.

Joey was just ready to "off with their heads" at that point and didn't address what Daniel said.

Love the podcast and ChicagoJoey, and the informal nature of the podcast gives it a cool vibe.

That being said, I think in this instance Joey would have been best served doing more prep.

You are asking the voice of pokerstars to come on and be accountable, and be extremely knowledgeable about a serious issue in the poker community. Even lambasting him when you don't think he knows about the intricacies of online poker. You feel he should be held accountable to this high standard based off the position he's in (not that he asked for.) I think thats a fair ask, and am glad Daniel came on.

Yet on your side, you've been put in this situation where you are a big mouthpiece for online poker and didn't take your role as seriously, and put as much work into it. You didn't really prep questions, weren't as knowledgable about realistic business motives from Amaya, and weren't as professional and tactful as Daniel and Anski.

I think the podcast is awesome for the laid back vibe, and am a fan. Just think if you are going to go into these more serious issues, you need to take yourself more seriously as an interviewer.

chicagojoey does a good job seeing that hes not anderson cooper and that hes a professional pokerplayer. that was the first pod cast that covered anything that was serious material. also knowing something and being able to apply it in settings that involve performance and other people takes practice. dudes not gonna wake up and be walter cronkite. pretty much the best poker podcast in my opinion and i appreciate the effort papi. keep up the good work and **** the broke dick haters lol.