watched gripsed theory thrusday and that was some awesome stuff, as good as webinars and paid courses Ive seen. I can def seeing this teaching newer players a lot, it taught me a lot but im newish,oldish

Yep, and these "Twitchers" are doing it for free....hmmm...makes a lot of sense.

For free? staples has like atleast 500+ subs thats like 1,2k++ dollar a month just from subs plus more from donations etc.

The biggest stremers on twitch has 5000+ subs they earn ALOT.

Apart from relatively insignifcant donations and contractual obligations, whats the motivation behind all these people who make free poker content anyway?

Why do people go out of thier way to teach other people about the game? I've never quite udnerstood it

The nail was when Doyle published Super System.

I never mentioned Staples, and you clearly are missing the point....

I don't understand the fuss, it is very simple like in all sorts of things in life, things evolve/change.

And then you can do 2 things buck up and do the work to adept or get out and move on.

Thread should be renamed "Twitch- This gonna be the nail in the coffin for Timstones poker career"

500 subs = $250

So does everything else in the universe, including brands of water.

So a sub is 5 dollar, twitch takes half, streamer other half

2,5x500 = 250?

THink your math is off bro. $5 per sub, twitcher gets half or more depending on how big they are. $1250'ish.

Get a calculator, enter 2.5, press x, then 500 and =

you will see its not 250

im an idiot. thats what i get for attempting simple math at 6am after waking up. how embarrassing haha

they also run ads sometimes i don't know how much they get from those.

I love the sentiment of "the game is gonna evolve, just work hard and stay out in front of it pussy."

When ring poker reaches a certain level of nittery/solid play (even if it is v basic and mind-numbing), games just turn into tiny edge available variance festivals- no matter how good you are. There just isn't a ton you can do with a bunch of players at a table playing fundamentally sound and trying to win. Collectively they will kill you if you get too creative.

People who will argue ^^^ (who play ring games) are likely just on heaters they can't even begin to understand.

Training sites are killing the games. Twitch won't.
You can't assume all the newbs Twich can bring are all going to start playing micros. Bringing new players can only be good.
Couple that with the fact that twitch isn't exactly strat heavy.

I'll tell ya what twitch will do for poker. It will create a vast competition of hardcore grinders streaming like crazy all competing against each other in the hopes that they will get the next Jamie staples contract.

This will create lots and lots of advertisement for HUD companies and the poker sites. They are the only parties that will benefit. Not the grinders/pro's

From your profile, you say you play 5-10 and 10-20. And in those games, I would assume that you are right. Everyone is probably really solid and the edges are probably pretty small.

In the smaller games though (.25/.50 online and less, and 1-2/2-5 live) this definitely isn't the case. The twitch streams attracting people to play poker are going to the lower stakes to learn, presumably.

The best thing to help your 5-10 and 10-20 games is probably a mix of increased poker popularity and general economy boom. Get some rich corporate people to go lose a couple thousand and have it be considered an entertainment expense

I think there is pretty confounding evidence that bottled water is insanely toxic to the world

How long can you make a livable wage playing micros? How long until you are better off working at a grocery store? You realize winning 15$ an hour at a 1/2 live game is like 30bb/100? Its honestly not that easy to crush 1/2 live for 30bb/100 long term.

Not sure this is the word you want?

I think I was trying to spell profound and just ****ed it up nice and autocorrect put confounding. Or maybe I am dumb as rocks.

I would argue that if you were young, did not have a family, and were committed to grinding a lot of hours, you could make a decent living playing 1/2. It is not too hard to make $200 in 7 hours. (Again, speaking only from my own live experiences. I'm not sure if competition differs in different regions, countries). But that seems to be a separate argument.

The twitch streams (or at least Jason Somerville's, the only one I really watch on a regular basis) is attracting new people to poker. Granted, these new players may come in with more information/skills than the new players did during the poker boom...but they are still "new players", and I would assume they are worse than people who have been playing for >1 year.

I think the popularization of poker twitch stream will have close to ZERO effect (positive or negative) on the bigger online & live games (and, presumably, the people who are playing poker as their main source of income). However, these twitch streams are getting new players to sign up for online accounts (and play in live small buyin tournaments and 1-2), which I believe will be good for the poker community as a whole.

Note: I'm not quite sure how you read my previous post, and somehow assumed that I said that you could make a living playing 1-2 live NL. I wasn't trying to say that at all. Personally, I think a younger person with no family, living in an apartment with little expenses could do okay. Obviously not a great long term plan though. But for 1-2 years, i would think it's do-able.

Edit: and to answer your question "How long until you are better off working at a grocery store?"...some people might get more enjoyment out of playing poker than standing at the checkout line. And if the yearly income is close, many people would be much happier doing poker than groceries.

this is true if your bread and butter is multi-tabling low to mid stakes games where you are not maximally exploiting each hand since you just don't have the time to take in every variable. I do agree that this life line of an online professional poker player is being cut off through the developments of recent years. But what about moving down in the number of tables and move up in stakes gradually? The higher you play, the game is more about actually out-exploiting tendencies of your opponents and less about playing a robotic auto-pilot style that takes advantage of simple mistakes of rec opponents or mediocre regs.

If you aren't able to or not willing to improving on your poker progression in this manner, then the game might not be for you as a long term career.