I'm not going to take an opinion one way or the other.

But if the average starting salary with a Bachelors Degree (which presumably if you have such a degree, you are at least 21 years old) is "like 60k/year", then how is $100K per year not really that much for a 27 year old?

I agree somewhat. There is also going to be the vast majority that watch streams and are still rubbish.

But it is introducing the wrong people to bolster mistakes+ games.

However, I'm don't think pokerstars cares? What limits do they make their main income from? I always assumed it was smaller limits. And if they can get these new players to be somewhat decent and just grind it away in rake to them slower than a donating fish. Mission accomplished. And with their recent short sighted agenda. This seems like a perfect fit.

NiSash that prestige is overrated and it really depends on how you want to live your life.
100K is a lot for most people in the US to live very comfortably if you are single.

It all really depends on if you enjoy your profession more than playing poker.

Whether OP is proven right or wrong over time, it's rare and admirable that he is even thinking ahead. The people shooting holes in his post either:

a) don't play for a living
b) are short sighted as ****
c) play for a living but not where the masses play (games/stakes)
d) don't really understand variance/how it shoots through the roof when common leaks are plugged- even if they are pretty basic concepts
e) are contrarians who would have still shot holes had his post been "twitch is goat for poker"
f) aren't realistic about target audiences
g) are leveling

Imo. Gj Op.

im incredibly surprised by the overall tone of the thread, though i shouldnt be given that its NVG

you seem to think that its very important whats 'cool' and to have a 'normal not frowned upon job'. other people do not.

In the near future we will for sure hear success stories of "yeah i got started in poker through watching twitch, was watching dota but poker was interesting to me". for every one of these there will be countless guys who deposited 20-100$ and failed, not to mention ppl that end up being recs.

Moving up stakes has never been harder and probably less than 1% of guys who are trying to run it up now @ 2nl due to twich are going to be mid stakes crushers in 2-3 years.

We tend to underestimate the ease of playing for a living at decent limits because its second nature to us, but someone getting into the games now has everything going against them.




EDIT - yeah and this + a mirrion

U shouldnt be.

As u mentioned its NVG + alot of people have a deep hate for me bc i play big edge games only and use a software which is completely legal currently in order to do so.

If gandalf or ike would write such an op thered be alot more people +1ing it just because...

Other points are summarized pretty well by the post above urs


[spoiler]kind rgds from teh TimStone[/spoiler]

What is DOTA?

If it makes you feel better, I have no idea who you are and I bet we have 0 overlap on what sites we play on, so there is that.

lol at thinking viewers are digesting info and actually improving from complete randoms into solid regs.

hilarious OP but actually twitch is incredibly useful at getting complete novices into the game, which is what online poker is struggling to find.

who gives a **** if they know when to find strategy, id rather have guys looking for strat to learn to play and watching twitch streams then NOT playing poker.

basically the main question these hundreds/thousands of noobs are asking in the streamers chat are "what site do i deposit on?" Then they get guided en mass by the streamer to Bovada, Pokerstars or ACR etc. Most of these guys are going to deposit and fail repeatedly, they arnt just going to miraculously get good. We want people to watch streamers do well, think they can do this e z card game and then deposit/fail multiple times.

+1

but he has a point about twitch

teh sky is falling. we need moarr players with disposable income i can bumhunt not good ones or they will all be taking a proportion of teh money out of teh poker economy

Interesting read and probably right. Last think we need is 1000's of 24 tabling Starcraft robots

lol if you read the level of intellect in a twitch chat, you will see that none of them are going to be 24 tabling anytime soon.

None of them will have 250usd to deposit and lose each month either...

[spoiler]kind rgds from teh TimStone[/spoiler]

250 no

25 yeah why not

Didn't read, Have a winge.

What a load of rubbish, if anything I think twitch streams will bring new players and the losing regs coming back more and more(ie after watching someone like jason have a 30k cash or jaime win the 109 twice 4 weeks).

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where is twitch being advertised in order to target said potential audience? I only heard of it through 2÷2

All i see is a load of regs itt living in a fantasy world.
You are all skirting the real cause of online pokers decline.
Take away Huds and all other softwares that gives an unfair advantage to non hud users and it might survive.
But none of you want to discuss that do you? Because you all use them.
Its laughable. Most of the hud tards that are winning will crumble without their tools. FACT.
But if the twitch pipedream keeps you contented for now, so be it

If you follow anything games related on social media it's literally everywhere, games developers promote their new releases there, it's also openly available on XBox One and incredibly simple to use, meaning it will reach audiences beyond the typical PC-owning Poker crowd.

It's a great thing, imo.

I watch GM chess analyses on YT all the time. I've watched them for years, and my chess has improved a ton. But I am nowhere near a grandmaster. Just as with anything else, watching is not the same as learning. Seeing how things should be done rarely translates into correctly evaluating situations without taking a ride on the learning curve.

Agree wholeheartedly with OP

A lot of people missing the point in here, its not Twitch that will teach these young guys with an interest in gaming to beat poker, but merely introducing them is enough harm.

Even if 9 out of 10 18-30 year old males who try out poker as a result of watching a Twitch stream lose a bit and never touch it again, the 1 out of 10 who eventually learns to beat micros then makes it upto ssnl+ will do more harm to the poker economy than the gain we get from the odd micro stakes fish who drops $50 once a month onto his favourite site.

twitch = great news for poker sites, bad news for pros