I didn't read the OP either because I have Teh Tmi tSneo teh ignoreds.

vinvinci and tim still have valid points tho

Like vini's post

In all times there have always been the doomsayers. These are morons. Always wrong.
TimStone fails to realize that for every successful grinder there are 9 failed ones. Because he has the intelligence of a cucumber.

I asked about this to you before but how old are you?

when you make enough money you stop caring about other people

As someone who looks over the twitch page often, not many are actual winners. Even the guys at 100nl playing a lot are breakeven. There isnt much good info on the site.

Best example is this shirox guy. Tons of subs always 200~ viewers. Guy is an actual fish. Losing player untill he started luckboxing spins. Even though hes win 5k~ in them he's still down lifetime at poker. Gives a lot of terrible advice.

Twitch is good for poker. The information you get from jcarver and staples is tournament logic. It's not worth much overall.

I agree, twitch is a great thing overall. It's free advertising from the game and it gives players hope that they can make good money from the game if they learn from their favorite streamer. http://riustats.com/ shows Jason winning decent money every season. People can easily watch the stream and think they can become a winning player just by following Jason's advice.

I've watched a bit of Jason's stream and the advice is so basic it's not like he's giving away things that weren't known since 2006. All his strat talk is basically about pot odds which anyone can figure out for themselves anyway. He even refers to calling OOP with a weak hand that has 51% equity against an opponent's range as "not making a mistake", which is essentially using logic from Sklansky's theorems that are extremely outdated. There's just no way people can watch most of these Poker streams and learn all they need to know to crush the games.

I'm glad poker pros have taken to twitch to help coach us amateurs. I was worried I was going to have to pay Jamie Gold $1,000 an hour improve my game.

damn that blond twitching right now is deffo good for the game

shes hot yeah



/faptime

I have found myself twitching once or twice since watching her...

Those japanese signing actually seemed to have an effect i am seeing quite a lot more of bad japanese players.

I just realized a seat scripter extraordinaire made this thread. Oh the chuckles.

Funny enough, PLO is very close to what you described and I'm saying this as a NLHE player...

All this drama really frustrates me, a few people on twitch talk basic strategy so what, even if its not basic. A fish looking around twitter and watch that isnt going to learn anything to become a threat. I have read so many threads saying poker is unbeatable etc and then probably the same people come here and agree twitch is a danger as fish might learn to not be fish any more, it doesn't work both ways. Personally i think neither is true, yes it is tougher now than ever to break through but still very possible. Twitch is good for poker as it has potential to bring new players in.

I am now of the opinion that twitch is great for the game. It creates a real good buzz.
And OP. I despise rectum hunters with a passion

I think half pot limit or even fixed limit is better.

people take 6months of class to drive a car and they still cant drive

and people expect a ****ty twitcher to teach a fish how to lose 1-2bb less per 100 hands? no way.

This. That. Right there.

I dont think anything is gonna be able to fix NLHE at this point, when the games are this tough, fish simply has so little chance to actually gamble it up.

A PLO boom is the only thing that can "save" poker imo. Ive never actually had a boring omha session, maybe a disgusting session with sick variance, but the game is very exciting and actionpacked, and that is what poker needs.

+many

ty, it was tilting me some of the responses tim was getting

Yes, you are correct.

What is seriously absurd is that people cannot read the post for its merits and instantly judge it based on who is posting it.

I don't think you welcome it, since it's a day closer to when you and everyone else get weeded out too.

Do you have any evidence/theories to support this view? Would love to hear.

See beginning of post

Hate for anyone acting in a way that promotes maximal self-interest within the rules of a game where people are competing for money / livelihood is pretty ridiculous.

You seem really bitter about people who capitalized on opportunities to make large amounts of money quickly.


As for comments on the OP itself-- poker has been dying a slow death for a long time. Stars monopoly + Amaya acquisition was always going to accelerate the process. Twitch is likely a net-negative.

The best and brightest / hardest working guys should pretty much always be able to make a living, but it's no secret that hourlies are way down from 5 years ago and trending downwards on the aggregate-- rake going up, edges getting smaller, especially due to zoom-style play. There is also always live poker which some people cringe at the thought of-- but the point is, there are still ways to make good money, but it's far from what it used to be. This is the natural progression of any quant/competitive field.

I'm not too bitter about the ones who faded into oblivion (townsend, andrew wiggins, for example).

But when Galfond is Mr. Popularity on 2p2, and uses his nice guy image to offer extremely low $/vid contracts to young and mostly naive up and coming coaches under the pretense that it's an honor to work with him, I find it really absurd, and can't help not commenting on it. When he complains about scripters and hunters and young kids who are slow/annoying/have bad social skills lives, he should look in the mirror and realize what he did getting texts when Guy was online, how bumhunting would be less necessary without training sites, and what the average user of RIO looks and acts like.

And when Krantz and Taylor Caby use kickstarter to raise funds for BetRaiseFold when it's being monetized by themselves and durrr, who's basically a scammer at this point, I can't help but call them out for not only taking advantage of micro and small stakes players again, but also making a documentary on the poker boom...that they helped contribute the downfall of.

Sublime I don't care much about. He quietly scripted for years, and then quietly sold the script for years. Took a lot of heat for it and owned it. He didn't try and be something he wasn't.

I would view twitch as a reverse freeroll for americans given that the off chance it's good for the poker world for a bit, it's likely to become bad once the US gets its act together and is regulated.

As for fading into oblivion, Andrew Wiggins is one of the best DFS players today-- he goes by the screenname "Makisupa" on FanDuel and DraftKings. He recently got ****ed out of $750,000 but still walked away with $250,000: https://rotogrinders.com/articles/ri...ch-24th-634344

Townsend still plays high stakes from what I've seen.

Don't see anything wrong with using Kickstarter for its intended purpose-- and trying to make money from a documentary into which they put a lot of time and effort.