My point is that being the best poker player does not mean you will be the best streamer (same applies to any other game streamer).

Playing hud-less with a live camera on you 6/7 days a week is a very specific skill that Lex does better than most if not all other poker streamers. He also plays well, understands the game, and narrates his game in a way his viewers like.

There are plenty of better players, but none of them have yet to create good streams.

I think it's safe to say he is not playing well atm. Understands the rules yeah but like someone mentioned there are some big leaks there. Narrates the game well that's probably true. I think he would do much better playing 100bb cash than mtts but mtts are way better format to stream.

How confused are you dude? just listen to you! Lets go over whats wrong with your post
-PLaying hudless is a decision he made to make it a better viewer experience. Lex needs to grow the stream and be successful there, because he cant win at poker. I dont deny one bit him being an entertaining streamer. People love a good trainwreck.
-how can you say"putting a camera on you 6-7 days is skill lex does better than most? Anybody can sit in front of a camera and play highstakes people will watch. Winning would make it"and better than most
-You say he plays well, understands the game well and narrates it well for viewers to follow. This couldnt be further than the truth. Playing well would mean that you actually make money. Hes on a "100k downswing" and itd be 200 if he didnt get lucky the very few big games he won. He wont remember those times though he wont mention the tmie he had K3 allin pre to kk and won, for a 10k payjump in prizemoney. None of you brainwashed plebs will ever remmeber that but surely when he latereges a game with 8 bbs and loses a flip youd be the first to say how unlucky he is!. He also narrarates terribly. Its his way or NO WAY. If you comment he will tell you how he studied etc and you are a 5nl pro and doesnt want your advice.

doug polk might be the only good player on twitch.

This is not true.

Well people watch Perkins playing one hs table so yeah it's kind of true. Or do you have better examples for your opinion?

Well if we count out Lex then spraggy is a quite good streamer. And uhlen when he happens to stream. Might allso say tonkaa. And all of them wins allso.

Bill is great and creates some great content.

However;
https://socialblade.com/twitch/compa...ns/lexveldhuis

Look at the times people have played for $1m first prize on twitch; they did not get any kind of strong viewing numbers. It is regular day-in day-out streamers who generally get the viewers.

Building and sustaining a poker viewership (or any viewership) is hard.

Yeah I didn't mean it like that you play some random mtt for big price. And Perkins is mind boggling boring (and pretty bad player tbh). The only reason people watch is is the stakes and giveaways (he does them right?). And tbh I don't know what I need to look from those graphs? I said people watch Perkins because he plays hs and you kind of proved my point.

Lets try this again. If you put a person to play hs on stream (not some random mtt from scoop) people will watch that. Like Perkins. Cant imagine people would watch him playing one table of NL25.

I love how you read my post and pickout one small area of it and ignore the rest. I guess you read it and thought"yep! hes right! but i gotta find a comeback".... so you choose this, bad choice.

It is very much true, anybody in the world can sit in front of a computer and do what they love to do. IF you have the money to support it you can do whtever you want in this world, are you going to disagree with that too ? Id love to hear how im wrong!

Whats this debate about Perkins and comparing him to Lex?
They both stream for different reasons. Perky is a baller who enjoys poker and streams from his yacht just having a fun time every now and then with no set schedule. Obviously hes not going to get anywhere NEAR lex volume with viewership. He didnt put his heart and sol into it and uses it for entertainment. Nothing wrong with that. I do enjoy watching him, and think hes a pretty successful dude.

Lex streams because he enjoys it(i think he does, not quite sure) but he obviously does it because he has to. He cant live his lifestyle without the extra money coming in .

I'm not disagreeing with anything other than the assertion earlier in this thread that (1) Lex is somehow not deserving and (2) anyone could easily do what he does.

There's better players, and bigger players, and bigger personalities... but to stream successfully takes more - a lot more - than this.

Ok well i told you why he is not deserving and i explained how anybody COULD do what he does, can you explain how you think what you think?

True, but a big part of what it takes is being willing to do it. Without regarding how others would judge my personality i’d never stream just because I have no desire to play in front of a camera with many people watching all the time, and i’m sure that’s true for most players. Thus what distingueshes Lex most from others (especially high-stakes players) isn’t his personality or poker capabilties, but that he’s willing to do the job he does.

I dont blame you with the whole no desire to play in front of a camera, thing. For example i gave 2% of myself to some online friends online in a sunday major recently and i ended up losing allin preAK to QQ for roughly 30 bigs button to bb, vs an active bb guy. I had to hear for about a half hour how"AK is a drawing hand, you should of not gone broke, you should of not commited yourself and you could of folded to the money!" all these comments from someone who is down 4k with a 1.50 ABI.
-Twitch is full of that, and im outspoken and i would try to defend my play way to much against these people with zero clue.

Lex is outspoken too and blowsp on chat and i dont blame him sometimes, but he is only willing to do it because he is a real successful streamer and makes bank and he needs to stream to survive.

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. Lex is back streaming from a long hiatus so if you missed him show him some support by giving him a sub, like, follow. Was painful not being able to watch him. Veldhuis legion FTW LESS THAN THREE <3
Definitely months away from Christmas, but somehow I feel like it's that time of the year.

Normal I can detect sarcasm pretty well, but you make me doubt. Are you really that big of a fan that missing him is 'painful'?

He is dead serious about that. He is like the Stan in real life and Lex is his eminem. He allso thinks that Lex is his bro. He is so obsessed about twitch it's allmost scary. Well not allmost it's scary. He just can't live without the streams even if that means watching Polk who he hates so much.

There are more posts like this in the nvg Polks thread.

As most of you can see, i am not a fan of Lex, Im trying to thinkup a fair bet for Lex during wcoop. You guys think i can get action offering 2-1 he has a profitable series or not? So if has profits i lose 2x what bettor risked. If he loses i win 1 unit. Theres gotta be some suckers out there who actually think he will make money right? only problem is those guys are probably busto.

Well that's a bad bet either way because these is a huge ammount of variance in one wcoop. He might just make a godrun to begin with and with those profits make it profitable. But I thinkp0kercasual is ready to go. Wcoop gonna be the toughest field of these series right?

Right, but i watched him stream yesterday and if i bet id want it to be all of his action for the duration of wcoop, he will be in other stuff. so basically itd be to stat him up the day wcoop begins, then after last day. I watched enough Lex to know what will happen.

He streamed yesterday and donked up a 500 buck spin n go, he talked about playing a 2k mixed wcoop, he talked about playing the 10k plo and 10k knockout.
Someone in chat made fn of his losses and he replied today bad variance.

My prediction is he loses another 50k in the next 3 months and gets depressed again. Or if he somehow wins a big one he will go on about the timeoff is what made him win. The real scary thing is he thinks he does nothing wrong. HE fired 3 shells into the 500 bb again, and regged games on the side with 9 bb over ad over. Sickening how people are so blind to say they learn from this guy LOL

Who do i think is GOOD on twitch some asked me. Well i think Kevin Martin is, i think he has a few big leaks but he has caughton quick and made great progression and actually plays well, and bluffs!. I think he has the mind to get to the highstakes one day and stay there.

Makes me sad to see how much time can be dedicated to hating another person. But it makes me even more sad to think how awful your lives must be to spending so much time trying to convince others to align with your hate.

You are talking about p0kercasual and Polk right? Like I don't hate Lex but on the other hand I can see he ain't playing well atm so critic is fair right? So what am I then? I don't attack to Lex on personal level like p0kercasual does against Polk.

If people are seriously buying action from him thinking he's a winning or at least breakeven player, than posts like WhatsUpGuys's are dem necessary. I saw him make 3 ridiculous spews in 30(!!) minutes of watching. Nothing would be wrong if he uses his own money and I would never post anything about it but peoples RTP betting on him can't be higher than 30% and that's a scam in my eyes. If he would at least play roulette.

Not only that, he's telling people they're printing money when buying action. That's the immoral scam part imo. Offering a negative ROI gamble on itself is fine, casino operators all over the world do so.

Yeah exactly, I meant RTP (return to player).

IF people want to invest and gamble and knowingly take the badside its ok, like going to the casino and knowingly gamble on rollette for a fun sweat is ok.

The problem is, he says"i print in this, buying action here is going to make you SO much money longterm its a GREAT deal" is where the problem is. Just because he sells at no markup doesnt mean its a good buy hes a a severe disadvantge in the thrill for example.