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Old 01-03-2018, 12:28 PM   #1
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CHARDONA / pokerinaflash

Long time lurka on 2+2, never set up an account but this annoyed me so no time like now to do it I guess haha.

Right so I watch a bit of twitch, I think it is great for poker, people can learn the game, interact with pros or recs that play, I also think it's very powerful in promoting a company, product or yourself as it kinda has an uncapped viewing potential.
So I come across this guy and he had a view streams on his channel from the week so I start watching, later to realize is claiming to have a very good game and brilliant poker knowledge (his words not mine) so fine, do as you please.
BUT I then find out he is claiming to be an intermediate poker coach and coaching some elite players (claim)
Some examples he couldn't work out how his 55 lost on a JJ989 to AK
He didn't know if Ace high counts on 666k6 board
He slaits players 95% of the time especially for min raising so blinds 150/300, btn makes it 600 he makes it 900 from the BB?
Just go and watch for yourself.

Now regardless how he plays, play how you want, the purpose of your channel is
the problem here.
Who knows what he is doing to get beginners to potentially pay X$ for coaching, I just see it as something that can stain the image of twitch to have these people promoting themselves in this way with no knowledge but could get naive begginers to give him money, it's theft in a way, maybe a bit strong.
But if anyone looks down this route for coaching and you are a beginner, hopefully there is some awareness.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:26 PM   #2
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I have watched some of it and he is terrible and barely understands the basics of the game. He claims to be a 'starting hand expert' on his twitter page and has developed some kind of hand ranking system 'superior' to sklansky, yet he constantly limps hands like 98o. 97o in ep and 65o in lp. Pretty entertaining for the comedic value though.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:35 PM   #3
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I have watched some of it and he is terrible and barely understands the basics of the game. He claims to be a 'starting hand expert' on his twitter page and has developed some kind of hand ranking system 'superior' to sklansky, yet he constantly limps hands like 98o. 97o in ep and 65o in lp. Pretty entertaining for the comedic value though.
The entertainment value is high I will give you that, but frustrating at the same time.... especially if he makes money from "coaching"
One of my favorites was near the end of one stream he was saying something along the lines of:
When I play with pros, I more than always final table and always come 2nd or 3rd at worst and I could 100% best dnegs... just after this statement he had K9 utg and said it's a hand you want to see a flop with so I'm going raise 2.6 the BB here
ROFL
Like I said, play how you want, it's your money have fun with twitch, but don't talk bs and try and sell a product off it to begginers
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:29 PM   #4
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I agree that he shouldn be advertising coaching or even telling his viewers to play like he does.
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:45 PM   #5
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Hi guys

I appreciate the comments made and take them onboard.

There are some good points made here and also some misunderstandings.

1. I am not charging anyone for my Online Twitch Poker Training/Live Coaching

2. I never once claim to be a Poker Pro

3. This is a new Twitch Poker Stream. There have therefore been distracting technical issues that have affected my game

4. Due to fatigue, I perhaps shouldn't have Streamed, as I accept that I made some poor plays and played too many hands

5. I got into the habit of forgetting to Raise more when someone else Limps or Min Raises before me. I am working on this

6. I am indeed an expert in NLHE Pre-Flop Win Rates and NLHE Starting Hand Real Money EV -

Does this make me a Top Player, Poker Pro or Top Intermediate?

No, not yet.

We all know there is far more to Poker than just being great at the Math and knowing Starting Hand Values doesn't stop you being Impatient and Playing too many Hands, which is a bad habit I got into after returning to Poker a few years ago. I used to play quite Tight (16-22% generally) and in recent years, I have been experimenting playing quite Loose (22-33%). Of course, this means I am not Winning as much, nor getting ITM as much. Is this bad? No. It is proving a big point to myself and I am now trying to switch to a Tighter, TAG to Moderate Aggressive Strategy. In future Streams, I will now be adopting this former Strategy.

7. We all make mistakes in Poker, especially when we're having a bad day or a Bad Run

8. I am new to Twitch and it is true that none of my four Twitch Stream Videos were good enough technically, or, more importantly, in terms of Live Poker Training/Coaching, they were inconsistent at times. Some of my comments and plays were very Instructional, but these were offset by some poor plays and one or two bad plays

9. I welcome Constructive Criticism, although I appreciate it more when it is accompanied by relevant Praise and appreciation that I am currently offering this Twitch Stream for free

10. Finally, my POKERINA NLHE Starting Hand System is indeed far superior to Sklansky's and I will be shortly be posting a fairly comprehensive video on Twitch and YouTube explaining why...

In the meantime, if you search for POKERINAFLASH on YouTube, you can watch a provisional animated video I did in 2009 which explains in a fairly simple way, why Sklansky's System is poor and why mine is far better and more useful. If this sounds arrogant, it is not.

I hope that helps clear a few things up.

Regards

Adrian Paul
[ CHARDONA previously ACEKINGPRO many years ago ]
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Old 01-16-2018, 09:19 AM   #6
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Point No6
You are in no way, shape or form an expert in any area of poker, it's very easy to see this from the starting hands you play and the way you berate other players on their starting hands, you have 0 concept of EV it's very clear of that... hence the amount of times somebody has shoved with under 10bb and you have said "it's just very poor play, why would you be trying to just win the blinds"
Or
"Oh we have KK and 2 callers on a 6710 rainbow flop, there is 2k in the pot so we just shove here with a 25k stack, don't want them to hit their straight" (see the irony between them 2 scenarios) and how much EV you are loosing, expert?
^ you have done that so many times in a stream.

You also said, some pros wouldn't believe some of the people you are coaching.
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Old 01-16-2018, 09:38 AM   #7
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Point No6
You are in no way, shape or form an expert in any area of poker...
You are totally wrong, but you're entitled to hold an invalid view if you choose to do so...
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Old 01-16-2018, 09:40 AM   #8
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Point No6
You have 0 concept of EV it's very clear of that...
Wrong again.
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Old 01-16-2018, 09:58 AM   #9
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Let me ask you a couple of questions and see if you know about real Real Money EV yourself?

1. Which is the Worst Starting and Trap Hand in NLHE?

2. How much Percentage Profit does AA Win - on Average - in NLHE?

3. Which Starting Hand Breaks Even - on Average - in NLHE?
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:14 PM   #10
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I am not the one making outrages claims then backing it up with some streaming content that is laughable, I don't need to answer any questions.
Guess you can prove people wrong by keep streaming and doing expert things like a6ss utg, we want to see a flop always with Ax suited and Kx suited lololol, starting hand expert for sure, very +EV, got to limp with AA and KK that's good isn't it you said?
Who are the people you said you are coaching that some pros wouldn't believe?
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:20 PM   #11
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I am not the one making outrages claims then backing it up with some streaming content that is laughable, I don't need to answer any questions
So you can't even answer just three simple questions and you're criticising me?
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:33 PM   #12
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Just keep doing what you are doing, it's great.
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:35 PM   #13
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Who are the people you said you are coaching that some pros wouldn't believe?
I've never once said that
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:48 PM   #14
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You 100% did, plus saying you can hold your own with Negreanu and when you get to a final table with pros you finish 3rd minimum, that was a fact you said. Don't think that has ever happened but okay
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:50 PM   #15
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You 100% did, plus saying you can hold your own with Negreanu and when you get to a final table with pros you finish 3rd minimum, that was a fact you said. Don't think that has ever happened but okay
I had 100% did NOT but, yes, I did say "hold you own with Negreanu and... against top players [and even some pros]", but not that I always finish 1st to 3rd, but usually I do. That is a fact.

I admit that I've just not been getting to Final Tables enough against big fields of generally poor or less good players over the last year or so. I prefer playing against good players, but I do need to adapt my game more.

It's not good to put words in peoples' mouths to try and make an unfair point. I am not coaching anyone one-to-one currently, so I wouldn't say I was.

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Old 01-16-2018, 02:02 PM   #16
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Not sure how many pros play freerolls, 0.11c sat and $1 MTTs but let you think it anyway.
Haven't put any words into anyone's mouth, just things you have said.
Okay no problem, then nobody is getting scammed by you charging for "expert coaching"
Keep it up
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Old 01-16-2018, 02:14 PM   #17
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Not sure how many pros play freerolls, 0.11c sat and $1 MTTs but let you think it anyway.
I now mostly play $2.20 or $5.50 and occasionally $11 and $22; I only occasionally play Twitch Stream Pro/Poker Stars Freerolls.; I've only rarely played 11c Sats just for the fun of it.

I've never claimed I was a Pro and I have only played a handful of Pros, but when I have I regularly get their Bounties and often do better than them in their Poker Stars Home Games...

Does this mean I know more than them and my knowledge and experience is better than theirs' (other the Real Money Starting Hand EV and Starting Hand Win Rates)? No.

I am an Intermediate Poker Player and occasional Poker Coach and that is all I have ever claimed to be.

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Old 01-16-2018, 02:59 PM   #18
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Pinocchio's nose just keeps growing, you have played 645 games lifetime with an ABI of $1.01.

So you know more about starting hands than online pros, what about A6 suited UTG?
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Old 01-16-2018, 03:03 PM   #19
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Pinocchio's nose just keeps growing, you have played 645 games lifetime with an ABI of $1.01.
Nope. I previously played under the screen name ACEKINGPRO and I made about $7,500 from just $500 investment - winning $5K in a Pre-Qualified Freeroll on the old Poker School Online in 2008 helped a lot! To be fair, my stats have expired under that name, but there are quite a few who will tell you this is true (the old PSO Dean, Al Spath, for example).

You are very good at accusing others of lying when they are not and occasionally misquoting them (maybe unintentionally, though). You seem very much like a know-it-all to me, but maybe I am wrong?

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So you know more about starting hands than online pros, what about A6 suited UTG?
A9s/A8s/A7s/A6s/A5s/A4s/A3s/A2s UTG and UTG+1 are all easy Folds, unless you're Short, then they're an easy All-In; MP to LP is a different story when not Short - you really want to see a Flop for a reasonable investment if you can, so Control the Pot on Tight to Moderate tables. Of course, it also depends on how many players are at the Table (this is a sound Strategy for 6 to 9 Handed play).

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Old 01-16-2018, 03:19 PM   #20
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Hahaha okay thanks for the strat, needed that.
When is the next stream anyway or when you playing the next freeroll or $1MTT
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Old 01-16-2018, 03:24 PM   #21
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Hahaha okay thanks for the strat, needed that.
When is the next stream anyway or when you playing the next freeroll or $1MTT
I won't be Streaming any Freerolls (I never have) nor any $1.10 or $2.20 MTTs from now on.

I will be running Live Starting Hand Discussions, between February and December, as well as Discussing Pre-Flop and Post-Flop Bet-Sizing with Polls and Quizzes. Any Live Tournaments I stream from now on will be $5.50 or $11. No more messing around with over-Loose play...

You're welcome to watch and laugh or maybe, just maybe, learn a little or a even a lot (if fish can fly!)

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Old 01-16-2018, 03:42 PM   #22
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Yea I will watch and have a good laugh.
Learn something hahahaha, yea alright
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Old 01-16-2018, 03:47 PM   #23
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Yea I will watch and have a good laugh.
Learn something hahahaha, yea alright
That's cool.

If you think I am wrong on anything just say so politely and explain why you think I'm wrong. I prefer people not to post more than a few comments on my videos, though. Better to message me privately and we can discuss.

I am not a know-it-all, but I do know my Starting Hand EV - both Pre-Flop Odds (Head to Head Odds mostly, but also 3-Way) and Real Money Starting Hand EV.

I also like Maths, so I've been doing a short Mathematical Analysis of Pre-Flop and Post-Flop Bet-Sizing and I was quite surprised at some of my findings!
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Old 01-17-2018, 04:06 AM   #24
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You two are inseparable, thunder buddies for life?
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Old 01-19-2018, 06:01 PM   #25
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Yea ofc, I really enjoyed a few hands a while ago $1.10 bh, the one where you had AA and raised to 240 you anbouced to the whole table you had AA then re raised to 320 lolololol and you lost, taking AA 4 ways hahaha, re raise sizing was perfect really +ev, but not only the re raise size but the fact you told the table you had AA before showdown.
Then the 1010 hand was a good one raised to 700, 4 callers then you cold shove your 28k stack in lolololol really got the value there, v +EV both them hands in the long run wp expert
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