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03-13-2016 , 04:05 PM

#76

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i thought we were all assuming secret pally would get nerfed but maybe i missed the memo that they dont care

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03-13-2016 , 04:12 PM

#77

D104

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ok, now we are talking blizz, this is better

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03-13-2016 , 04:27 PM

#78

Searix

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Disappointed. More countering 'certain class' cards. Can't wait for these to go

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03-13-2016 , 05:54 PM

#79

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I think blizz' version of nerfing secret pally is gonna be not replacing Minibot, muster and avenge.

Also cards like secret eater/Harrison jones/ooze should absolutely exist, everything needs a counter play and not every class should have weapons/secrets.

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03-13-2016 , 05:57 PM

#80

Kirbynator

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i forgot about avenge being cycled out

seems right

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03-13-2016 , 05:59 PM

#81

dkgojackets

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that is a perfectly good card to have

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03-13-2016 , 06:27 PM

#82

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Still can't believe they haven't introduced a card specifically to counter armor.

It would largely be targeted at one class, but hell a lot of cards are already very class specific.

It could be a minion that does double damage to armor or something. Or a direct damage spell that does double damage to armor.

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03-13-2016 , 06:37 PM

#83

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yeah it would need to hvae really solid stats though.

Maybe some 4 mana 3/6 dude swinging a warhammer that does double through armor or makes your friendly units go through armor. Would be NEATO

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03-13-2016 , 06:42 PM

#84

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Funny blizzard. This card is too late. Secret pally dies in standard

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03-13-2016 , 06:52 PM

#85

Searix

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It's not balanced. The only thing that card will do is make classes not use secrets.

It's like a 4 mana 2/4 that says battlecry: Do 10 damage to Paladins. 5 to hunters and mages (you can adjust these numbers)

Overpowered against those classes, underpowered otherwise, and not a healthy part of the meta

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03-13-2016 , 06:58 PM

#86

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but its too trash to use unless secret pally or freeze mage is vastly overpowered, if thats the case it will be played in decks like renolock or druid and make secret pally and freeze mage somewaht irrelevant.

IMO its very likely that it will both not be played and still keep some ugly decks from existing. So maybe not terrible for the meta.

I dont think its OP enough to battle standard hunter with 3-4 secrets or tempomage with 2-3. So that part is fine.

Its kinda lame that they feel they have to do this though...

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03-13-2016 , 07:08 PM

#87

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IMO its very likely that it will both not be played and still keep some ugly decks from existing. So maybe not terrible for the meta.

Yes, exactly. It's a meta-check against stupidly powerful secret-based decks. If this card was a LoE card, think of how much more interesting the meta would be right now?

This also opens up Blizzard to introducing 4 mana Shaman/DK secrets if they want to go down that path someday.

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03-13-2016 , 07:23 PM

#88

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Lol playing a garbage card that'll only ever be used in Wild that counters only a few decks is not overpowered, you are actively losing games against most decks by running it. Literally all it does is make sure Wild isn't overrun by secret decks. As if that's a bad thing. Secrets will still be run in every class that uses them, and that card will be played against them approx never.

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03-13-2016 , 07:30 PM

#89

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a must have card for wild, yes pls

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03-13-2016 , 07:54 PM

#90

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It's a niche card, a 4 mana 2/4 that does nothing is complete crap. It exists as a "just in case" if secrets are running wild.

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03-13-2016 , 08:04 PM

#91

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It's a must with Kezan leaving. It's fine imo. 3/4 base stats would make it too strong. Seems tuned just aboot right.

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03-13-2016 , 08:07 PM

#92

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uhh have we not been seeing 2x flare decks in this meta? it'll be thrown in as a tech card in plenty of decks if a secret heavy meta happens. eg the one we have now

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03-13-2016 , 08:16 PM

#93

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It's a clever card and I wish it existed instead of Kezan.

If you're even stealing 1 secret it's actually insane.

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03-13-2016 , 09:23 PM

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I'd rather have the secret than +1/+1 tho. Kezan is better when you are playing mage/hunter and they have 1 secret (as per normal)

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03-13-2016 , 09:33 PM

#95

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uhh have we not been seeing 2x flare decks in this meta? it'll be thrown in as a tech card in plenty of decks if a secret heavy meta happens. eg the one we have now

I've played hundreds of mage games the last several months. I've seen flare played... once? It isn't in the meta. When I run into Hunters, I'm not getting flared. Now, if this card above existed, for sure it would see play, followed by decks that rely on secrets dropping off significantly. And then people would stop running it, because it'd be a game losing tech choice. Then you would see secret heavy decks pop up again, in fewer numbers, and the card would continue to be unplayed. The existence of it simply makes it so that there can never be a secret dominated metagame. Searix is saying it means people would stop playing secrets... yeah, no.

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03-13-2016 , 09:57 PM

#96

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I'd rather have the secret than +1/+1 tho. Kezan is better when you are playing mage/hunter and they have 1 secret (as per normal)

in a way its a lot less gamebreaking in most matchups that contain a few secrets

outright stealing a secret just ends the game unless youre a turn from dying usually, kinda lame. And super affordable in renolock or whatever

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03-13-2016 , 10:07 PM

#97

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bookmarking for lulz

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03-13-2016 , 11:32 PM

#98

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flare used to be 1 mana, and was played in most hunter decks simply to thin your deck. Almost no one played secrets anyway.

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03-14-2016 , 08:49 AM

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I was really hoping for some new pirates with the xpac, not sure how those fit into this theme at all so hopes are dashed for now.

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03-14-2016 , 09:31 AM

#100

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i think its pretty likely they add a few cards that have nothing to do with the old gods.

Or maybe a corrupted pirate

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