Originally Posted by pucmo
I started to play Hearthstone and got all the basic cards for all the Heroes, and a couple more, but I am no match against the better decks. That kind of thing just doesn't happen in poker.
I have ordered one book and hope it gives me some info of how to become a legend; to get a strong deck and how best to use my gold (2k at this time as a new player).
Legend--go from 25 to 1, there are a certain # of stars at every level--you gain 1 star by winning a game. from 25 to 6, there is an additional bonus star given for 3 straight wins in a row. you lose stars when you lose games after level 21. basically to make legend you need time, skill, luck. if you are decent enough, arena is typically a good place to start to build your deck, else buy classic packs which won't be rolling off standard (there are 2 types of decks, standard which is restricted and wild which is unrestricted) anytime soon
How much skill there is? 1st it looks there isn't much, being just about the power deck and some experience, but if you think a move ahead, and play your cards right vs different Heroes (though you still might play much the same, but I have some ideas), and then how you build your deck; balanced or so.
there is some skill in the game but i would say not as much as other games--you need to make good decisions--at a high level you typically know your opponents deck and strategy so it's about getting lucky with your draws and understanding the situation--the game isn't complex. also certain decks are less skill intensive then others--you need to know when to trade and when not to trade and how to trade well
There often are options (what card and in what way you play), so it isn't just about the only possible cards. But still, it isn't a major skill game, the game being mostly about the power deck and playing oneself into value tourneys, or taking part into any offered. It is a sort of a freeroll, though not free.
the biggest expense IMO is your time. the game is pretty cheap and to get all the cards it really takes just a few thousand bucks at most
What I like about this game is that there isn't necesarily a rake, though you usually still have to pay with gold or cash (not all sure about this as the gold option seems to be missing), and there figure to be a rake/juice. But I have not entered into a single tourney yet, that sucks in this game as I can play but with my regular deck I would get sort of cheated if I would enter, and not many fish would enter because of that.
you pay with time and you can pay with money too. the rake can come from buying packs, buying arena runs, etc. essentially to blizzard giving you the ability to buy packs is free
This might not be the best esport game (just runs on most ordinary laptops, I suppose) as far as money goes, but you might not face a new enough version in the future, as the popularity of games change, new games and versions coming out. At least poker stays more the same.
it's a good esport game but not the best. they could find ways to get more money into the game but i wouldn't join the game to get rich--even the best players don't make much money from playing the game--the best/richest players make good money from streaming
It is a mystery for a beginner, how one becomes even a Legend, but time shows, but so far I have been playing mostly non-rated games and not doing that badly (when I arrived to my favorite heroes and worked them more balanced), but when some power deck decides to play casual games also, not to lose rating points or so, when testing something, I guess. I do occasionally beat some sort of a power deck also, but it is card luck.
What the possibilities are, depend on markets out there and their developments, as one can play the tourneys like one plays poker tourneys. If one gets enough points to get in better value tournaments, up to the big ones (250k, 1M), stays a mystery. Too small an edge to pay much juice in tourneys, so it isn't worth it for anyone, though chess costs like 100 per year, or nothing, still the servers running 24/7.
not sure what you are asking here. most of the tournaments don't cost money to enter but take either being famous (through tourney wins or viewers on Twitch) or being really good at the game and winning your way in). although i will say it isn't cheap to travel to the tournaments especially when many are in europe--if you do win your way to the main blizzard tournaments--which is through a very detailed point system--i think they pay for you to come.
In the long run there will be more books (when the "secrets" leak out, people retire/stop playing perhaps) and all will start to have top level decks that you already can somewhat copy by watching videos, or some nutcase posting them here.
at the high ranks, most if not all players play "net decks" that are refined and have high win rates
Comparing to poker; poker has more experience and feel and feel-logic related decisions and one makes some money and can luck in tournaments. More skill, more action, and there are no comparable live games in HS, though the big tourneys (and some more) are live.
Definitely much more skill in poker--HS is more casual but has a level of complexity. the issue at the highest levels is the skill gaps are tiny so what really matters is luck (good at winning flips just like poker), keeping level headed, and making minutely better decisions
But in poker, you won't get sponsor money, and can lose heavily, that is not so a case when playing esports, or any sports and you name it, though some hobbies cost up to major money, but there are sponsors. In a poker world one needs to get a name (nothing different there, just tougher) and then maybe one gets sponsors/backers. But for the rest of us, we risk money when we play, while in esports, there is generally no rake, though the tourneys still tend to have a rake in HS, or at the least one plays with money (or gold).
Rake is time and effort to get into the tourney--there might be entry fees for tournies but they aren't significant--most of the tournaments are sponsored
HS is a major time investment and offers just a mystery, one needing to work up mostly in other than skill ways, and then maybe get a lucky streak during some month or a year, and so scoring like in a lotto?
HS as mentioned repeated is skill plus luck--you need to understand the cards, understand what your opponent typically has/what he will do. The game is really bad IMO for a new player at this point unless you are willing to spend a decent amount of money because even if you have the time they cap what you can earn a day for free--it's not hard to get/earn the best decks that exist but it can be hard to really get good at them.