Druid would be absolute garbage if they nerfed combo. The class is so reliant on it.

How can you say warsong isn't dead? As someone said above, it's worse than raid leader now.

Not really. The last Tavern Brawl was literally "you have a perfect curve". Secret pally shat all over those other decks. I had over 75% win rate with it.

otk means with nothing on board you kill the other guy from near full hp...

its actually not

ramp druid didnt run combo for a long time.

something tells me if they nerfed combo, you wouldn't see everyone rush to bring ramp druid decks to tournaments

Yes Shaman can OTK if you can get the exact right cards and pull Mally--problem is it's really tough to do with only 1 in the deck. The deck is basically horse**** other than the times you pull the perfect combo. It has spotty removal and can get easily run over.

Priest can't really OTK unless you can a board unless you are talking about the Velen one which is again nowhere near as consistent as Patron. The issue is double Frothing you didn't even need a board.

The reason why Patron >>> Mally Shaman is b/c it has multiple ways to win, while Maly Shaman has one, same with the OTK Priest.

Having 2 ridiculous combos is what made Patron so hard to play against. It beats both aggro with patrons/warsong and control with frothing/warsong. Most decks have a ton of trouble doing both.

i agree if you take everything out of context and dont take into account all the other nerfs mentionned ramp druid isnt the best deck in the game right now

kappa

the problem is no matter what you do is there is always going to be a top deck. you could nerf every deck and make OTK Mally the #1 deck and people would complain. people are going to complain regardless about the top decks.

I wasn't talking about all the other nerfs mentioned. It just seems like some people think combo should be nerfed by the same logic that patron is being nerfed.

druid combo is pretty out of control tbh but its not as lame.

And yes druid would be underpowered right now if u just straight up removed combo from the game.

A small nerf? probably not

See brawl, tavern to see that this simply is not true

I've dropped players with one minion. Double rock biter. Windfury and buttlust. With shaman. There's also the times I can fill the boards with really ****ty totems and things like haunted creepers and then pop off 21 dmg just from buttlust alone. I have also dropped players with Deathlords and Innerfire by turn 7.

None of those things required much thought other than I hope the right cards come to me before I die. With Frothing OTKs there's planning and thought. Double combo doesn't hold much thought. My issue is with a lot of players who cried about Patron, is that they don't want a game where thinking is a part of it. I believe that because a) a lot of bad players didn't play around frothing combos b) the decks Patron farmed are usually the decks the least effort is needed to be played.

They could have done something easier to appease people who don't like OTKs. Make arena free and just restructure rewards.

Great post

Druid combo is infinitely more lame than frothing OTKs.

The math is way easier to calculate for lethal. There's no sort of ordering of the board. You just drop FoN + Roar or double Roar and voila "I haz lethal!"

I run ramp no combo from time to time. Still quite good. Not sure why its not played a lot.

Those aren't really OTK though. That's having a board and then using bloodlust. If you could on one turn build up a board and then buff all your creatures and there isn't anything your opponent could do that's a problem. Again I guess you are killing them in one turn but you have a setup. The fact that you can react to the setup is the biggest thing. With frothing, you can prepare but there's sometimes little you can do.

And the tavern brawl thing someone mentioned, there was hardly any removal played by both sides so of course if your opponent has no removal you are going to get crushed by secret pally.

id argue math being easier to calculate tends to help druid's opponents more than them

being underdog to both types of warriors instead of being favored would be my guess

Its better against secret pally tho (!)

A lot of time Frothing OTKs aren't OTKs by your metric than.

You could argue that, but you would be wrong imo and here is why...

1) Druid combo you can memorize the base damage of the combo and just add additional numbers quickly.
2) Frothing OTKs you have to plan out during the opponents turn. Even then you often have to adjust during your turn to max the damage. And if your opponent is playing fast it makes you have to do the combo faster since it takes rope burnage just to pull off correctly most of the time.

My point isn't really to argue about nerfing or whose combo is mindless. Rather my point is OTKs are part of the game, targeting one deck because it is strong isn't really solving OTKs. Just appeasing the masses.

I would also point out... I much rather get OTK'd by a warrior than spend fifty minutes in a control game. I was playing a really low budget fatigue mage a few weeks ago.. and my god I didn't think the entire game besides deciding which removal or freeze is the most efficient on this turn.

I want this list. I wanna try.

It's a fun list...I know it runs Barron Geddon too

lol, you guys as a group are hillarious.

yesterday: "Whaaaaa patron so op! Blizzard, plz nerf patron kthxbai!"
today: "Omfg, worst nerf evaaa!!!!"

Then there's the chorus of whining about how this deck and that deck is more annoying than patron.

To the chronic complainers: Face it... no matter what blizzard will do, you'll never be happy. The problem isn't blizzard, the problem is you.

hint: theyre not the same people