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those cards weren't that played in arena...without each other they aren't great.

the only OP cards by itself in the Patron Warrior deck was Emperor and Death's bite. Acolyte is played in CW/DW and Freeze Mage but not really op. The funny thing about Patron Warrior, I'm sure I'm not the first to say it, the frothing, warsong, Grimms are really trash by themselves, but together they are great.

Obviously there are other cards that have the same feel, FON is just okay without SR, Malygos without Emperor is pretty meh, but you get the idea. All 3 cards are almost unplayable even in arena without each other.

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10-13-2015 , 03:07 PM

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WildBobAA

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mysterious challenger YOU'RE NEXT*

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10-13-2015 , 03:14 PM

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vixticator

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I gotta say, watching Patron mirrors in tournament play was just painful to see. So that's good.

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10-13-2015 , 03:20 PM

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Sam77

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I'd rather play against patron than a lot of the current decks I run into these days.

Maybe I'm just unlucky but it seems like when I play it's dragon priest with perfect curve, fatigue/control warriors who think they are lifecoach or secret paladins. Just makes me not want to play. Haven't seen much of patron lately.

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10-13-2015 , 03:32 PM

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Terrible decision

So bliz completely ****s this one up.

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10-13-2015 , 03:32 PM

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mephisto

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When they decide to nerf an archetype, they really do use the nuclear option eh...... lol.

Druid combo is next.... I suggest only making it a slight nerf to a 10 mana combo, but knowing Blizzard following the buzzard/Warsong nerf, they'll make it 15 mana.

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10-13-2015 , 03:36 PM

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i still havent seen anyone in here give an idea of a nerf to patron that doesnt COMPLETELY kill grim patron competitively.

Even frothing at 3 hp would kill the deck. Any of the spells getting nerfed would kill the deck. A thaurissan nerf would kill it. Anything.

Dont knock it if you cant come up with any better

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10-13-2015 , 03:40 PM

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Kirb the best nerf ive heard is making frothings only proc from friendly minions. Doesnt kill the deck but makes the 60 damage in 1 turn or whatever impossible to pull off.

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10-13-2015 , 03:40 PM

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Plenty of people came up with better ideas than the one presented. The actual nerf kills both Patron and Frothing. I've seen many ideas that kill either Patron or Frothing, but not both. Yes, it would weaken the deck so it's not tier one. But it wouldn't kill the deck into unplayability.

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10-13-2015 , 03:41 PM

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DonkDonkDonkDonk

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Is the meta gonna be all grim patron until the nerf comes into effect?

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10-13-2015 , 03:42 PM

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mephisto

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Nerf Frothing by buffing it to 3/4 stats. No longer within warsong charge range! Problem solved imo and could actually make mid range warrior a thing.

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10-13-2015 , 03:42 PM

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I really would like to have been in the room for the discussion about this nerf. Probably like an hour of reasonable discussion, followed by someone just screaming KILL THIS ****ING DECK, which just whipped everyone into a frenzy. Press release 5 minute later.

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10-13-2015 , 03:43 PM

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BobboFitos

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A 3/4 still gains charge

This bums me out bc i was getting good with gp. I was feeling the power

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10-13-2015 , 03:43 PM

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this one doesnt kill warsong or frothing (altho warsong is utter **** at least it has different possibilities yet, who knows)

frothing is still a 2/4 body on 3 with a big upside. Very good arena card for example.

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Nerf Frothing by buffing it to 3/4 stats. No longer within warsong charge range! Problem solved imo and could actually make mid range warrior a thing.

nope, still has charge.

ANd frothing would be super OP by itself if it were 3/4 base stats... its still a 3 mana minion ffs.

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Kirb the best nerf ive heard is making frothings only proc from friendly minions. Doesnt kill the deck but makes the 60 damage in 1 turn or whatever impossible to pull off.

this is the best one ive seen yet and i still disagree that it doesnt kill grim patron.

It would put it around 25% win against classes that can put multiple taunts up. (handlock most obvious one, dragon priest too imo)

Like it would be an underdog or flip at best to pretty much every class and a huge underdog to a few.

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10-13-2015 , 03:47 PM

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mephisto

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lol hmmm my bad my bad.

4/3 stats then, basically nuking the card. Meh. Still doesn't completely kill the archetype though like Blizzard has just done.

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10-13-2015 , 03:48 PM

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making frothing 4/3 would be a good one. (still kills grim patron tho)

I was thinking making patron 4/3 would be the best nerf of all imo. (still kills the combo deck obv)

I.e. the OP boring archetype doesnt exist anymore but the card isnt outright **** either, while not killing other cards.

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10-13-2015 , 03:49 PM

#22967

vixticator

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Coldarra Drake Grim Patron Mage incoming.

EVERYONE GET IN HERE.

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10-13-2015 , 03:50 PM

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They also had to take into consideration future expansions and what not too. It's no real surprise to me that Warsong was the nerf (again mind you) best for the long-term. I don't like their choice in this exact situation for specifically the patron deck, but at the end of the day maybe it is just best to nuke the damn card into oblivion so there aren't just more and more problems 6-12 months down the line with it.

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10-13-2015 , 03:51 PM

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also warsong commander was clashing with charge, another warrior card with unique charge capabilities. Also korkron.

Now instead this card has "kind of" synergy with it

Yes this card exists :O

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10-13-2015 , 03:53 PM

#22970

Clinger

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Ha, I bet this has to be almost exactly what happened.

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10-13-2015 , 03:53 PM

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mephisto

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Yeah, that's fine too. It's the OTK nature that needs to be avoided and both ideas effectively crush the worst of it. However, in your meta the frothing OTK with warsong is still very much in effect.

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10-13-2015 , 04:00 PM

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they kinda missed an opportunity to welcome face warrior into our midst (probly wouldve regretted it tho

).

If new warsong was 2 mana it would be really good I think.

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10-13-2015 , 04:11 PM

#22973

mephisto

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Originally Posted by Berge20

They also had to take into consideration future expansions and what not too.

That's a really good point, if they're planning other sweet cards within the 1/3 attack warsong range, a nuke nerf was preferable.

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10-13-2015 , 04:20 PM

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Not the change I would have made but still better than no change.

I would have preferred the "minions lose charge if the go above 3 attack" nerf

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10-13-2015 , 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

also warsong commander was clashing with charge, another warrior card with unique charge capabilities. Also korkron.

Now instead this card has "kind of" synergy with it

Yes this card exists :O

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I ran into a warrior deck that was an otk molten giant charge deck. V weird

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