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Old 04-09-2021, 07:12 PM   #48426
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I think Lunacy Mage is really fun. Sometimes it bricks really hard, but as the pilot, that doesn't feel too bad. When it high rolls, it can feel absurd. See Searix's post where his opponent plays some of the best Druid and Demon Hunter cards - discounted so deeply that Malfurion and Illidan are trying to get Jaina audited.

I think Deck of Lunacy would still be playable at 3 mana and borderline at 4 mana. At 4 mana, it could be fun an meme-y but not any higher than that. I would guess that their first target would be mana cost of the card. Second option would be adjusting the effect of the card, making spells cost (2) more instead of (3). I can't see them adjusting both things. It's hard to adjust two dials at once and know how to attribute credit for the fallout.

Pen flinger can **** a ****. Make it a 5 mana 5/5.
Knowing blizzard they're likely gonna add 1 mana to them and call it a day.


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Feels like i got unlucky against the paladins. Warlocks got a few early double tickatus off against me that got lucky burns as well. Deck still feels super strong and as you guys can see at 20-10 (67%) it's roughly on par with my lunacy deck
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Old 04-09-2021, 09:52 PM   #48427
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They're gonna nerf the knife that buffs with poisons
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it's gonna be jandice imo
If they're going to nerf one Rogue card, I hope it's Secret Passage.
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:08 PM   #48428
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I still don't get it. There's been many more oppressive decks than lunacy mage and yet everyone hates it with a burning passion.

Is this deck really worse than mechathun warlock? mozaki OTK? rogues that spat out 12/12 turn 3 Edwins? 4-5 turn aggro decks?

Just feels like we're ok with OP decks when it's things like rogue
Make no mistake, people have been screaming about Edwin for years. Plenty of hate to go around there.

As for those other named decks, they’re bad.

Lunacy mage is good and 30% of the meta. And it’s best win condition is doing a whole bunch of **** that they didn’t put in their deck. People hate that, because you can’t plan against it, it just happens to you. When mage goes lunacy on 2 into skull of guldan on 3, they are able to cheat up to 18 mana on turn 4. It’s highroll, random and horribly unfun to play against. And this isn’t some ultra rare event. There are so few cards in standard that the random effects of lunacy are remarkably consistent.

It also doesn’t have to be this way. Killing lunacy will not kill that deck. It does enough good stuff with the cards it actually put in its deck.

Bottom line, it’s a meme card that became competitively viable and a dominant force on ladder. Of course people are going to hate it.
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:28 PM   #48429
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Zeddy on stream said what he claims were the leaked nerfs:

Jandice goes to 6 mana
The 2/4 and 3/5 watch posts lose 1 health
Deck of lunacy goes to 4 mana
Pen flinger can't go face
The paladin weapon loses 1 durability
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Old 04-10-2021, 12:14 AM   #48430
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Among all those nerfs, the Paladin weapon sticks out to me. I am surprised it was ever released at 3 durability in the first place. Talk about power creep. Mysterious challenger was great because you gained two or three times the value of the mana spent. It feels like muster for battle with the three dudes as secrets that get pulled out of your deck. Muster was good at 3, this would be good at 3. It's too good at 2 the way it is.
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Old 04-10-2021, 01:38 AM   #48431
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yah if those are the nerfs mage/priest/paladin stay at #1, just slightly more balanced
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Old 04-10-2021, 09:43 AM   #48432
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Pen flinger's leaked nerf only makes people's problem with the card worse, not better.
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Old 04-10-2021, 10:45 AM   #48433
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Pen flinger's leaked nerf only makes people's problem with the card worse, not better.
How so?
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Old 04-10-2021, 12:33 PM   #48434
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How so?


People are upset with the card not because it is uber powerful, but because it's been played more than twice as much as any other card. So they hear HEY LOSER a million times and it gets really annoying. By taking away the cards' ability to do face damage, games will go longer and the card will be played even more times.

The right "nerf" is speeding up the animation time and ditching the voice line after the first time it's played.
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Old 04-12-2021, 01:30 AM   #48435
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well as much as i hate to do this, gonna stream www.twitch.tv/searix seeing how high i can get from 5496 with OP meta mage as a mage main for a few hours
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Old 04-12-2021, 05:50 AM   #48436
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eh, did ok
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Old 04-12-2021, 01:20 PM   #48437
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https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/ne...es%C2%A0%C2%A0

Nerfs are announced.
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Old 04-12-2021, 01:42 PM   #48438
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Sounds about what everyone expected
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Old 04-12-2021, 02:07 PM   #48439
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Zeddy on stream said what he claims were the leaked nerfs:

Jandice goes to 6 mana
The 2/4 and 3/5 watch posts lose 1 health
Deck of lunacy goes to 4 mana
Pen flinger can't go face
The paladin weapon loses 1 durability
He was right about the nerfs.

Paladin feels like it got a decent power reduction due to the sword and pen flinger nerfs. Rogue got hit good too with pen flinger and jandice.

Deck of lunacy should be something like 5-7 mana. It has an effect similar to Luna's pocket galaxy. But even if that card didn't exist spell mage is still really strong. Not sure what else they would nerf though.

RIP watchposts.

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Old 04-12-2021, 03:14 PM   #48440
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My nerf thoughts:

Mage is still good, probably still tier 1. Lunacy is unplayable now.

Watch posts are donezo. People were already taking Kargal out of decks, the posts were being run solely for the tempo they provided. The 1 health on each is super significant because it kept them out of on curve removal. I think buffing Kargal by giving his summoned minions rush would perhaps make watchpost decks viable. Give it a payoff like soul fragments, since the posts themselves are now bad tempo.

I'm a little worried about miracle rogue. It's the deck that I've played almost exclusively since xpac launch and though it is a very good deck, it lacks threats in the midgame. The deck is very reliant on stepping jandice for creating multiple threats, and her going to 6 mana feels very significant. Further, the deck cycles extremely fast, but it is a little light on threats and can't produce board after board after board anymore, due to the loss of questing and EVIL miscreant. The loss of face damage from pen flinger is significant to rogue. I think it goes down to 1 copy and alex comes in.

I don't think the nerfs are significant enough for paladin. The curve plays out the same way. A mana increase on the sword would have been much more impactful than the durability reduction they went with. Paladin is also not reliant on pen flinger's chip damage in the way that rogue is. With liadrin, they can outlast most decks, and don't really win off burn, but rather overwhelming board advantage that never lets up. I think it's still the best deck in the game. The only thing keeping it down I think is the fact that it's boring as **** to play and is generally underrepresented on ladder.
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Old 04-12-2021, 03:51 PM   #48441
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So, I crafted that Lunacy card about a week ago to see what the fuss was about, and figured it would be a full dust anyway.

7 mana Nagrand Slams and Survival of the Fittests were fun and definitely seemed op. I never managed to figure out whether that Celestial card was helping my opponent more than me though.
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Old 04-12-2021, 04:26 PM   #48442
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No nerfs to the librams at all is pretty shitty
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Old 04-13-2021, 01:34 AM   #48443
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Librams are cool and should remain cool. But right now they are a second or maybe third win option. Tone down the squeaky wheel and let's see Paladin use big libram bombs to win games instead of pen flinging people for lethal.
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Old 04-13-2021, 11:11 AM   #48444
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I told you paladin would remain mostly untouched. Lol at a 1 durability nerf to that weapon. Paladin doesnt even need that weapon to be busted, nor does it need pen flinger spam.

I hate paladin metas and it looks like yet again I dropped $80 on a rotation expansion just to quit again.
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Old 04-13-2021, 02:48 PM   #48445
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The nerfs made for a nice little dust haul. 15 extra Pen Flingers plus 1 golden one makes for a cool 1,000 dust. Thanks, loser. Good riddance.

Made about 400 dust from the watch posts. I agree with those nerfs. I think they were too strong with the amount of health that they had, but that was also what made them good. If you can holy smite the 2-post, it's still "ok" because they used a removal spell and one of their cards costs more, but without the potential for them to stick as much, I'm not sure they're going to be worth a spot. I do like 2-post better than 3-post, but I guess we'll see what happens.

Now, Sword of the Fallen. I actually managed to bust open 2 golden ones, as well as 5 others. Obviously I will be disenchanting 3 of the 5 regular ones. But this is kind of a grey area for me when it comes to the golden Swords of the Fallen. It's 1600 dust if I DE both golden swords, but I can actually see myself playing that deck. And I like golden cards. But this is a golden card that does not create any other golden cards. It doesn't cast golden secrets unless the secrets are golden to start with. So as cool as the golden swords are, I think they might get DE'd.

I'm going to wait a week though, and see if I like playing Paladin and actually want to keep the cards. I set a one week reminder for myself to come back and see about disenchanting the swords, as well as Jandice Barov. I don't know how good she's going to be. It still seems like a cool card, and 6 doesn't seem like too much to pay for what you're getting - especially right now with strong 5 mana minions in the pool.

I am sad that Deck of Luncay went to 4 mana. Depending on how much I play in the next couple of weeks, I may go ahead and make a golden one to enjoy all the shinys, then see about DE'ing it back to the normal version before the dust refunds go away.
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Old 04-13-2021, 03:10 PM   #48446
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My enthusiasm to build a secret/libram paladin took a bit of a hit when I found out that my (golden) Commander Rhyssa just rotated out of Standard.

I had hoped I would someday make use of her, but I guess this deck is too late. She shall fade in to obscurity as a golden legendary that I opened and thought, "ok, that doesn't seem good but maybe I'll get to play it at some point..." I decided to do a quick search in my Wild collection for "golden legendary" and see what other golden duds I opened and then never had the heart (or got desperate enough) to disenchant:

Ysiel Windsinger
Dreadscale
Boommaster Flark
Beastmaster Leoroxx
Commander Rhyssa
Electra Stormsurge
Lady Vashj
Blood-Queen Lana'thel
Lord Jaraxxus - until NOW! YOU FACE GOLDEN JARAXXUS!
The Boom Reaver

Neutrals:
Al'ar
Chef Nomi - I did get a few lol's out of this but never had the patience to play a real deck for it. I guess that's Warlock's thing now, they have a new legendary minion for it.
Kargal Battlescar - too bad you don't get a dust refund on this guy with the watchposts being nerfed.
Octosari
Original Nozdormu
Hakkar, the Soulflayer

That's a lot of golden legendaries, but I guess that will happen if you closely follow a game for years and years.

Anyone else have some notable let-downs after you hear the innkeeper lose his **** when you open a golden legendary?

Or any great success stories? Golden Jaraxxus is paying off now. Golden Frost Lich Jaina is in contention for my all time favorite card. I cracked a golden Tirion Fordring way back when buying bunches of Classic Packs was the thing to do. He's gotten a lot of mileage. The highlight of Descent of Dragons was a golden Ysera, Unleashed. Final shoutout goes to golden Xaril, Poisoned Mind - I played Rogue just so I could play with that card.
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Old 04-13-2021, 03:41 PM   #48447
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dunno about paladin, but pen flinger in rogue is trraaaaaaaaaash now

have slotted augmerchant in for the time being

alex/tenwu is the play right now imo
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Old 04-13-2021, 05:40 PM   #48448
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of course pen flinger is going to be trash in every deck but pally--and it was only really played in 2 classes. when you're getting charged 1 mana to cycle damage vs 1 mana to cycle plus 1/1 buff, there is no competition. most classes don't have enough cheap spells to cycle.

pen flinger was getting old so that's great that it's been heavily hampered. to those saying the sound is the most annoying part, that's true but the ability to keep going face and no way to stop it was also annoying as ****. there are only a few tools to stop it across the landscape. silence which only mage/shaman really run but demon hunter also has in it's toolbox to stop the librams. priest if you can steal it. try to use the watch posts.

i'm also glad lunacy is gone. while it helped me get to legend, it's so boring and lame and it really sucks when it low rolls.

i tried control warlock today post nerf, it felt a little better. it was incredible the # of lunacy mages you had on ladder. i'm glad we shouldn't have that option anymore. i played 3 pre-nerf and 2 out of 3 they coined lunacy and the game was effectively over.
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Old 04-13-2021, 06:23 PM   #48449
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The real problem is that tickatus makes the priest matchup 10% or worse. No idea why that card didnt make the chopping block. One class/card shouldnt completely nullify an entire class. There is no counter. You can hope that theyre stupid and let you illucia the tickatus but they’ll never let you do that because they hard mulligan for it and play it asap.
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Old 04-13-2021, 07:05 PM   #48450
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The real problem is that tickatus makes the priest matchup 10% or worse. No idea why that card didnt make the chopping block. One class/card shouldnt completely nullify an entire class. There is no counter. You can hope that theyre stupid and let you illucia the tickatus but they’ll never let you do that because they hard mulligan for it and play it asap.
Yep, doubling down that Tickatus should've never been created and should've been nerfed time and again now. Nothing like completely canceling out a class/spec because you randomly face them.

Control is dead as long as Tickatus is around.
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