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Old 12-12-2019, 10:27 PM   #47301
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RIP hearthstone. You ****ing suck team 5, you are awful at your jobs.
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Old 12-13-2019, 12:27 AM   #47302
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RIP hearthstone. You ****ing suck team 5, you are awful at your jobs.
If it makes you feel any better I heard there's already a balance patch in the works for next week.

Finally have enough DoD packs to look at my battlegrounds stats and... they make no sense (to me anyway). For one, my "win streak" is greater than my total number of wins. And there's no total # of games to put it all in context. Oh well.

With seemingly everyone going for murlocs lately I've decided to go contrarian and try some other combos. Having some success with beast deathrattles supported by the awesome hyena and pack leader, though they are hard to buff up as much as some of the other builds.
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Old 12-13-2019, 04:03 AM   #47303
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Quest Galakrond Shaman seems super strong.
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Old 12-13-2019, 01:20 PM   #47304
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The problem with doing anything other than murlocs is that you gotta hope that someone else doesnt hit the nutty murloc endgame because as good as your beasts/demons whatever are they wont win.
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Old 12-13-2019, 05:34 PM   #47305
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Re: win streak, for those purposes it considers a "win" any top four finish.

D104, Blizzard already came out and said shaman specifically is about to get nerfed by the end of next week. Rogue seems pretty good right now regardless so I'm a little surprised you're so bearish on the game. I agree that the development team has made some inexplicably bad decisions since I started playing the game at the beginning of the year (can't speak for prior) but have faith they can improve based on mistakes. Definitely glad they're addressing this absurd shaman WR problem sooner rather than later especially in light of the evolve catastrophe.
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Old 12-13-2019, 08:02 PM   #47306
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Was legit shocked to see that they’re making immediate changes after the xpac, really thought we’d have to slog through at least 2 months of this. Made my post like hours before the announcement.

I was just very low on the game coming into the xpac because of the whole evolve thing. It really was an unmitigated disaster. So when the xpac released, and shaman was so obviously broken, I was ready to just walk away for good.

I’ll stick around for the nerfs, and reevaluate.
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Old 12-14-2019, 02:38 AM   #47307
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The problem with going murlocs is that if everyone goes murlocs, most of you are going to die. There's only 6 megasaurs in the game, so unless you highroll a Zerus or get an early Brann you're not going to get all the things you need.

The primalfin nerf is quite subtle but very good. Slowing down the Brann into Primalfin shenanigans when you're still at tier 4 is an effective nerf. When you're cycling Seers/Toxfins/Bagurgle, you're adding more murlocs to the pool, so you are going to be more likely to find them each turn.

I think the nerf effectively keeps murlocs pretty strong, as the addition of Bagurgle gives them a lot of mid-late game punch, but it's a lot harder to just roll the nuts now.

I think the weaker comps right now are beasts, which are now less dominant in the midgame and their scaling in the late game still falls short. There are more ways IMO to build a top 3 demon comp.
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:07 PM   #47308
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TIL the power of combining a tripled Baron Rivendare with a tripled Kaboom Bot. It goes boom 6 times! It helped me to win, coming back from being down 9 health to 34 when it was heads up. Maybe the most fun I've had playing Battlegrounds.

Pretty much avoiding murlocs now as everyone is going for them and you have to get super lucky to get the good ones. Instead trying various menagerie combos unless it forces me down a particular road.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:33 PM   #47309
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Definitely winning more with pure mechs with a dash of Amalgam poisonous than full murlocs lately. I've had some comps that were set up to win but just couldn't hit megasaur or toxfins in time and got beat down.

The Kaboom Bot/Rivendare comps are quite fun! It also works well with Cobalt/Angora.
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Old 12-15-2019, 04:29 AM   #47310
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Constructed looks awful, arena is OK. I'll wait for nerfs.

In BG i keep inching up to 7K, which seems to be a pretty high standard, but get to 6950 and lose a bunch, lol.

I'm pretty certain AFK is still my best hero even post-nerf.

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If you see Wrathweaver and a mech on turns 1/2, generally always freeze because that sets you up for so many of your better rolls (Cobalt, Floating Watcher, the mech buff). Also, tokens are always good.
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Old 12-15-2019, 08:57 PM   #47311
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People really hated on Shaman during Evolve, but I really never ran in to it very much. I didn't play very many Shaman and didn't get screwed over by Evolves hardly at all.

But now. Now *I* want to see them deleted from the game.
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Old 12-15-2019, 09:16 PM   #47312
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5 mana to summon a 3/3 and 4 2/1's with Rush? And fully upgrade Galakrond?

It feels like they missed as badly on that as they did on Giggling Inventor. Except that it's backed by a class that gets to do all the rest of the powerful battlecries in the game twice.
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Old 12-16-2019, 12:20 PM   #47313
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Saying this as a rogue player - necrium apothecary needs to be nerfed too, that card is broken af.

You can just jam necrium blade/apothecary/mech welp into any deck, no other synergies needed, and you're churning out 7/7s on turn 4/5/6
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Old 12-18-2019, 02:39 AM   #47314
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I think Battlegrounds is in a really good spot right now, the game seems pretty balanced and healthy.

My best heroes post-nerf are AFK, Lich B., Yogg and Nefarian. Lich B is a bit misleading because it's a small sample, but I've finished top 4 10 of 12 games with 4 firsts and 4 seconds. I don't take her over several other heroes however. I am well behind the curve when it comes to winning with Rafaam, I probably play too greedy with him? I've never taken Patchwerk post-nerf.
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Old 12-18-2019, 06:23 PM   #47315
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Goodbye again HS. Not going to even bother with discussing the nerfs, they're clearly inadequate.
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Old 12-18-2019, 06:32 PM   #47316
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No more amalgam in BG makes me sad.
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Old 12-18-2019, 09:49 PM   #47317
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Wow, gonna be weird without amalgam
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:14 PM   #47318
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So they made Mogu better?
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:35 PM   #47319
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Weird, the nerfs seem perfect to me to bring shaman power level down to a reasonable level but not too weak. I say that even as someone who has purposefully been playing anti shaman decks since the expansion to punish these people.

I don't think Mogu is better.
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:56 PM   #47320
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Weird, the nerfs seem perfect to me to bring shaman power level down to a reasonable level but not too weak. I say that even as someone who has purposefully been playing anti shaman decks since the expansion to punish these people.

I don't think Mogu is better.
He can evolve to 10 now. I almost never play him without 6 on the board anyway.
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Old 12-18-2019, 11:14 PM   #47321
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He can evolve to 10 now. I almost never play him without 6 on the board anyway.
Yeah I realize that but it's definitely a nerf imo, that fact doesn't overcome the extra expense. The pool of 8 mana minions was pretty damn strong with Hireek maybe the only bad draw. I've seen him played and have played him myself many times as early as possible, and that has probably been the correct way to play him tbh. I would be shocked if consensus is that this isn't a nerf.
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Old 12-18-2019, 11:27 PM   #47322
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Mogu not costing 0 as often will be a big nerf.

I like the BG nerfs. Not having Amalgam is really weird, but it should make it a totally different game. Murlocs will be weak as ****, but I think you'll still be able to highroll those megasaurus wins as a last resort quite often.

- mechs will be good and probably dominant. No nerf to Cobalt is big
- Beasts will be much better IMO, as they have trouble keeping up with double amalgam scaling and don't utilize it as well as other comps.
- Baron Rivendare comps will be very good
- Demons might be good but they need Amalgam. The Soul Juggler/Void Daddy comps might work.

I think there will be more games where you can pivot late and grab some high-level minions that will be more impactful.

-- Curator will be top tier, having the only Amalgam
-- Rat King will be much worse
-- Dropping Mechano Egg, Boogey from 5 to 4 makes your discoveries of 5 tiers much better. and upgrading gives a much better chance of hitting that key minion - Brann, Rivendare, White Wolf, Brann.
-- Think the Beast is playable at tier 3 although it makes AFK worse
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Old 12-19-2019, 12:20 PM   #47323
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Nerfs not good enough. Rushers needed to be 1/1.
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Old 12-20-2019, 06:47 PM   #47324
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Another win with Nefarian with a nice beast line-up. Nef continues to be my fav hero in BG. The auto shield-buster is so nice in the late game. Up to about 4400 MMR. I know that's well below most of you but I've enjoyed the struggle of coming back from being down to about 3100 while I was learning the game. RIP Murlocs at least for me, haven't been able to get them to work since the nerf.

Constructed has been a struggle lately. Started playing about a month or so ago and quickly went up all the newb ranks but now seem to have hit a wall at rank 19-20. Partly because some people have some amazing decks -- one guy I played recently had like 6 legendaries by turn 7 -- but also lots of bad play by me. The learning has been fun though.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:45 AM   #47325
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Ah, the ups and downs of Battlegrounds. Had a run where I (not exaggerating) got 5 8th's in a row and my MMR got pummeled below 4k and I nearly gave up the game. It was shortly followed though by a run where I seemingly could not finish outside the top 3, even getting 1sts with unlikely heroes like Bartendotron, Shudderwock and Jaraxxus, and my MMR soared to 4.7k.

The most fun was a 1st with AFKay where I managed to snag two Crowd Favorites early and just kept buffing them with every Battlecry I could find, sort of Dancing Deryl style. At one point had a chance to triple them and realized that was probably a bad idea. By the end they were each 41/41 and the BC's served to buff the other minions nicely too. Good times.

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