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03-21-2018 , 11:02 AM

#43576

capone0

Carpal \'Tunnel

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It’s kinda easier to make it now....also did you make it before they fixed the mmr?

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03-21-2018 , 11:04 AM

#43577

jmakin

banned

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 30,120

rank 400 in the first week, i'm surprised you didnt drop to like 6k.

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03-21-2018 , 11:05 AM

#43578

Aceium

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Originally Posted by feedthabeast

Decided to play DMH warrior because I hate myself. Legitimately faced 0 aggro paladins in 20 games. How is this even possible?

It's pretty common knowledge that Blizzard analyzes decks that queue up before they make the matchups. They don't want players to feel bad so if you've queued up a deck that hard counters a very popular meta deck, they will instead match you against everything but what you're trying to hard counter. The idea here is that you already feel bad, so if they put an aggro paladin against you, there's going to be 2 people feeling bad instead of just one. This way, everyone that plays against you feels good and their net result from all your games is that just one person feels (really) bad.

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03-21-2018 , 11:20 AM

#43579

jmakin

banned

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 30,120

come on, this team isn't competent enough to pull something like that off

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03-21-2018 , 12:33 PM

#43580

Paul D

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Originally Posted by jmakin

if you subtract my 9 barnes wins i am still 27-23. not awful.

looking at a card's played winrate while ignoring the rest of the deck is bad for reasons that i argued about passionately about keleseth as well.

like i said i don't think barnes is the scary card in that deck. it's straight up awful in the mirror and you need to have a perfect hand or y'shaarj pull to blow out a game with him, which rarely happens.

the combo of shadow essence, dragonfire, horror clears, scream, healing and mass resurrect are what make it a bull**** deck. no other archetype could get away with running so much removal and so many spells, but big priest can because of shadow essence, shadow visions, and how powerful the 4/8 taunt is (and to some degree, lich king).

barnes is a bull**** annoying card in spell hunter. Totally, totally bull****. i don't know the deck as well, but my understanding is you almost throw away everything but barnes with that deck. that is totally, totally not the strategy when playing big priest. it's just a nice starting hand card for the priest, and hunter winrate purely relies on that barnes/yshaarj interaction to squeak it over 50%.

and i think that's fine in theory, if a deck wants to play 1 card that makes the deck suck if you don't draw it. the problem was old tempo rogue had a >50% winrate even when not playing keleseth. That is total bull****.

my argument isn't that big priest isn't bull**** it's that you're oversimplifying it and saying it's bull**** for the wrong reasons. it isn't easy to play optimally and barnes isn't the problem. "good" big priest hands play pretty linearly so it can appear it's easy when everything goes right, but not everything goes right with that deck, and when things go wrong they can go really really wrong. that's what makes the winrate, is how you play the ****ty big priest draws, which there are many of.

this is obviously a touchy subject, i've just taken a fair amount of **** before for playing the deck on stream and it's annoying because it's a really intricate and "mathy" type of deck. EV decisions are everywhere and on the fly calculations of how likely you are to pull X card from an essence and how likely that is to give you Y minion/spell from it's end of turn effect, or how likely it is you pull a taunt, or how likely it is you pull an obsidian destroyer and it kills the problem minion on the other side of the board.. i could go on for days

/end essay

lol it's a high roll deck dude.

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03-21-2018 , 01:29 PM

#43581

jmakin

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03-21-2018 , 01:51 PM

#43582

capone0

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Most decks are high roll.

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03-21-2018 , 01:54 PM

#43583

Paul D

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Originally Posted by capone0

Most decks are high roll.

Huge difference of having your win con as a high roll and having high roll mechanics in a deck.

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03-21-2018 , 02:34 PM

#43584

prizminferno

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why are priest players so defensive about their decks

w/e priest back to the dumpster in 2 weeks

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03-21-2018 , 03:36 PM

#43585

Aceium

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Priests are very reactionary.

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03-21-2018 , 04:48 PM

#43586

D104

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Originally Posted by Aceium

Priests are very reactionary.

A+

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03-21-2018 , 06:34 PM

#43587

yeotaJMU

Shines ELIte's Shoes

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 22,414

Haven't played this game in months

Come back and play back to back ramp Druids who play that 10 mana 5 damage 5 armor 5 draw 5/5 on turn 6 and 7 respectively.

I see this game is still stupid

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03-21-2018 , 07:36 PM

#43588

BobboFitos

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Originally Posted by Aceium

Priests are very reactionary.

lol, well done

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03-21-2018 , 08:19 PM

#43589

jmakin

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 30,120

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Originally Posted by prizminferno

why are priest players so defensive about their decks

w/e priest back to the dumpster in 2 weeks

we havent seen the priest cards yet and the priest dragon/spiteful core is still really strong even when they lose operative and netherspite historian. duskbreaker is just too insane.

psychic scream best removal in the game. most decks haven't even been running dragonfire anymore so that loss doesn't hurt very much. Horror/pint size/potion of madness loss hurts control variants a lot.

i could see some version of spiteful being pretty good still. control decks take a big hit, they basically lose everything. healing potion too.

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03-21-2018 , 08:21 PM

#43590

jmakin

banned

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 30,120

i might hit legend with spell hunter this month, jesus christ this deck is brokeback.

the bull**** barnes wins aside, it can pull off wins in situations where I think "no way do i ever win here" so i've started just never conceding.

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03-22-2018 , 02:16 PM

#43591

Aceium

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Warpath

2 Mana Warrior Spell that's Whirlwind with Echo

Plus a cool Rogue Legendary (very Game of Thrones)

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03-22-2018 , 02:21 PM

#43592

DonkDonkDonkDonk

Goose

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 40,116

yeah i think thats pretty good in dmh warrior

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03-22-2018 , 03:20 PM

#43593

jmakin

banned

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 30,120

just hit legend with this deck, 70% winrate

i thought this deck was trash. worst matchup feels like control priest. i honestly have no idea though. mulligan is super easy, just don't waste your secrets and play for tempo early game, close games out with your burst or rexxar if you have to.

arcane shot won so many games i can't even believe what a good tech that card is. paladins are free wins.

i bounced from 1 to 5 twice this season and there's still 9 days left! i love the new ladder system

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03-22-2018 , 03:25 PM

#43594

prizminferno

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that poor mans defile is terrible and will see little play, the rogue card will see no play

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03-22-2018 , 07:35 PM

#43595

D104

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why do they keep giving rogue the memey value legendaries

the class can barely survive until turn 6 half the time

this is basically blizz saying, "hey dane, i got u fam"

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03-22-2018 , 08:22 PM

#43596

prizminferno

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funny enough one of the best arena cards ever printed

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03-22-2018 , 09:15 PM

#43597

WiltOnTilt

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,893

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Originally Posted by prizminferno

that poor mans defile is terrible and will see little play, the rogue card will see no play

Really? Warrior card seems good to me.

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03-22-2018 , 09:40 PM

#43598

prizminferno

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Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 17,302

it will need a lot of support with fishes rotating, so probably not

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03-23-2018 , 12:05 PM

#43599

D104

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 18,255

is there anything better in this game than going ham with a lyra and two radiant eles? it's the closest feeling to old school miracle turns

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03-23-2018 , 12:55 PM

#43600

jmakin

banned

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 30,120

My hand always gets too full with lyra, a lot of priest spells generate cards

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