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Old 11-07-2016, 02:36 PM   #35351
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mother****ing divine favor decks ahhhhhhh
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:39 PM   #35352
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yeah the pally one is easily the best
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:43 PM   #35353
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it has extreme synergy with the new 3 mana draw three 1 drop card too.


but maybe those archetypes will just get completely destroyed by dragon priest and actually cease existing

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Old 11-07-2016, 02:49 PM   #35354
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I'm not seeing it in Divine Favor Pally. You just don't have enough minions in hand.

He's really bad with less than 3 hits. At 3 hits I think he's bad.

I could maybe see him in some greedy midrange list, like the old Reno Paladin decks.
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:52 PM   #35355
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why would 3 hits be bad?

also

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Old 11-07-2016, 02:57 PM   #35356
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paladin one seems p good especially since paladin has no 2 drops anyways atm

but everything aggro gonna lose to drag priest
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:00 PM   #35357
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You need to discount the value from future stats compared to current stats. I think 1/1 present + 3/3 future is worse than 3/3 present. If you're more generous than me you could say you're roughly breaking even at 3 hits, but in no world are you turning much of a profit.

There's lots of scenarios where this guy would be god awful, so to make up for that you need to be turning a big profit with some regularity. I don't think you're ever getting 6 hits from him in a deck with a ton of one drops.
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:00 PM   #35358
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when does BRM cycle out of standard?
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:14 PM   #35359
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bgordon, I think you're overlooking the fact that this is going to work in aggro Paladin because those decks will feature a lot of cheap divine shield minions or various ways to give cheap minions divine shield.

So this 2-drop will be buffing minions like Argent Squire and Argent Horserider, causing them to need more than 2 pings to be killed. Argent Horseriders that now do 6 or 9 damage instead of 4 is a big deal.
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:16 PM   #35360
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BRM, TGT, LOE all rotate out when the first expansion drops in 2017 afaik, so prolly early spring?
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:30 PM   #35361
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What are with all these spell cards without the spell tag?
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:31 PM   #35362
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while trump loves these best case scenario value plays, the rest of the world still just tries to win on turn 8
just seems like the slow value oriented decks are never ever good. some are better than others but its fanciful thinking to believe in evolve being a thing, especially when every other raw shaman archetype is just stronger
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:34 PM   #35363
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these cards are all bad, with the hunter at least maybe being viable and the paladin fitting specifically divine favor but still being far off from good. taunt warrior is LUL
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:38 PM   #35364
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why would 3 hits be bad?

also

This card is insane.
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:50 PM   #35365
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This card is insane.
I dont see it. Most 1 drops suck. It will help thin the deck but it's super anti tempo - which I suppose works with divine favor - but that archetype just isn't that strong. Maybe you play this INSTEAD of divine favor in a 1 mana minion heavy secretadin. I dunno

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On another note, watched a video with Ben Brode and the new cards. I really wonder if he ever plays ladder beyond like rank 15, he gets so excited for all these **** cards that have no chance of seeing play. (Lotus agent is the card where it just totally puzzled me) He's basically talking about how Rogue could use healing and could get something from shaman or druid...

Its like, so I need healing, but I dont need to respond to the board, I can play a 5/3, and still need to pay extra mana (and get lucky to draw the heal) in order to actually heal. This situation, beyond the rank 18-20 where anything goes, just is not feasible.

It's a shame. Dude obviously love hearthstone, just has designed so many cards that are totally hopeless.
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:57 PM   #35366
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well, a lot of people do play before rank 15

its crazy. there are threads on reddit by people who have played since beta who just passed rank ten for the first time

also think the paladin card is weak (mainly the deck in general)
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:23 PM   #35367
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That rogue legendary might be worse than Purify.
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:26 PM   #35368
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Grimestreet is triclass Pally/war/hunter
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:27 PM   #35369
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grimstreet seems fair. a delayed 3/5 for 3. it will never see play in a serious deck but it seems good for arena
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:28 PM   #35370
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Conversely that Hunter card...Hunter doesn't need 2 drops, it has Huge Toad, Grandmother and turn 2 is for playing secrets anyway.
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:31 PM   #35371
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Yeah some cards I think really need to consider arena value when evaluating.

Aggro pally is really being pushed. Like everything is a small token card for pally.
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:44 PM   #35372
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I dont see it. Most 1 drops suck. It will help thin the deck but it's super anti tempo - which I suppose works with divine favor - but that archetype just isn't that strong. Maybe you play this INSTEAD of divine favor in a 1 mana minion heavy secretadin. I dunno

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On another note, watched a video with Ben Brode and the new cards. I really wonder if he ever plays ladder beyond like rank 15, he gets so excited for all these **** cards that have no chance of seeing play. (Lotus agent is the card where it just totally puzzled me) He's basically talking about how Rogue could use healing and could get something from shaman or druid...

Its like, so I need healing, but I dont need to respond to the board, I can play a 5/3, and still need to pay extra mana (and get lucky to draw the heal) in order to actually heal. This situation, beyond the rank 18-20 where anything goes, just is not feasible.

It's a shame. Dude obviously love hearthstone, just has designed so many cards that are totally hopeless.

Well, its been said here before that aggro/bubble pally is just a card or two short of being viable, and i can think of a few really good interactions with that card
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:45 PM   #35373
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Alley Armorsmith looks about break even to me. I don't think you'd play a 2/7 taunt for 4, but it's not that far off. Then you're getting around 4 armor on average maybe. I think you're getting right around 5 mana of value. Although it becomes stone unplayable if Cabal Shadow Priest becomes a metagame staple.
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:49 PM   #35374
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lets just give all the defensive tools to one class

Maybe they could print armor Jackson: gain 30 armor if your name is garrosh
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Old 11-07-2016, 05:00 PM   #35375
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Is Golden Monkey a taunt minion you can discover?
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