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01-15-2019 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
tempo is what people call a deck to make themselves feel better because they don't want to be playing an "aggro deck"

see: "tempo mage"
I mean, that's just not true lol, but sure. There's a pretty clear difference.
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01-15-2019 , 03:05 PM
Here are the deck types:

Aggro
Midrange
Control
OTK/Combo
Tempo

An aggressive deck can be completely face oriented (there hasn't been a strictly face deck in the meta for quite some time, but this was way back with face hunter, super aggro shaman, and of course pirate warrior) or just something that floods the board/creates an early advantage. (Odd paladin fits the bill - it succeeds because it has some power surges in the midgame, but generally it just throws a lot of **** out there early and pops the face a fair amount)

A midrange deck adapts based on the matchup. It has capability to play fast - ie. when against a deck that will win the end game or a combo-oriented deck where you need early aggression, but also can sit back and play the control style vs a faster deck where you'll outvalue them. In the current meta, something like Even Paladin is pretty obviously midrange, as it can flood the board/push damage in certain matchups, but also has comeback mechanisms (board wipes/heals/taunts) if it takes a more defensive approach.

Control decks are slow by nature. The classic control warrior did this the best - it had removal for days, had tons of ways of coming back vs both fast and somewhat fast decks, and wins based on attrition or fatigue. The warrior deck posted here with Zola and Cubes and **** (I've been loving it) is a callback to control decks, but if you look at VS power rankings, the only real control deck that makes an appearance is the slow mage deck. (Big spell)

OTK and combo decks are basically littered across the VS spectrum. All the priest decks, exodia paladin, cube variants (specifically hunter but also warlock of course), anything Mecha C'thun... I find them really frustrating to play against because the vast majority of them don't engage the opponent. They play their game and the player has fun playing it; you are kinda the spectator. Same applied with miracle rogue and freeze mage, and the HS team killed those off. I think that's healthy. They are fun to play but horrible to play against.

This is my own editorial opinion, but aggro decks are silly because they limit interaction by few exchanges / decisions (skill point is lower), and serve as a meta check, but OTK decks are silly because they turn what is essentially a 2 player game into a 1 player game. You ask yourself, how good is my opponent? How well do they play their deck? And finally, can I do anything about their combo/OTK? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Finally, tempo decks respond to their opponent and cede value advantages. They differ from pure aggro decks because you generally aren't just looking to pump face damage (although you of course should be), but also looking to stay ahead on the board. You sacrifice card advantage and the like for early pressure. Tempo mage was about "how do I vomit my hand on the board in the most efficient way possible"; Odd rogue is a tempo deck because of the inherent value of your weapon and cards like Vilespine, which stay on curve to prevent your opponents from sticking stuff on the board.

I don't mind tempo decks. I think they take more skill to play than pure aggressive decks, I also think they do well vs OTK and the like which stockpile their cards since they push in early. Hearthstone has seen many metas of which deck is king, and in my personal opinion, the game is best when it's a midrange meta.
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01-15-2019 , 03:39 PM
midrange metas are the worst for me because the good midrange decks that have ever come out in this game have genuinely no real weaknesses and unbelievable value generators (see cube). So control becomes basically pointless to play and it becomes an arms race of which midrange deck can be sufficiently greedy while staving off the inevitable swarms of aggro decks trying to combat them. It just sucks and I hate it. To each his own though.
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01-15-2019 , 07:07 PM
midrange is an aggro deck with a 6 drop
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01-15-2019 , 07:31 PM
The priest OTK mechathun deck is legit omega-AIDS. I don't think I've played a single game where they didn't complete combo by turn 9. There's NO defense against it other than them not drawing hemet. I don't even understand where they're taking this game lately. It's so silly. They could turn it around still but not unless they have a really great rotation set and then manage to not **** it up until april 2020. My hopes are not high.

I've been playing a lot more arena than I usually do but even then I'm getting frustrated. Mages seem to have like 3+ flamestrikes every time now. All the micro changes are too exhausting to keep up with in arena and they don't make it very easy to track them all so I just wing it. Definitely averaging fewer wins than I used to and it's not because I'm any worse.
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01-15-2019 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
The priest OTK mechathun deck is legit omega-AIDS. I don't think I've played a single game where they didn't complete combo by turn 9. There's NO defense against it other than them not drawing hemet. I don't even understand where they're taking this game lately. It's so silly. They could turn it around still but not unless they have a really great rotation set and then manage to not **** it up until april 2020. My hopes are not high.

I've been playing a lot more arena than I usually do but even then I'm getting frustrated. Mages seem to have like 3+ flamestrikes every time now. All the micro changes are too exhausting to keep up with in arena and they don't make it very easy to track them all so I just wing it. Definitely averaging fewer wins than I used to and it's not because I'm any worse.
only defense is a stupid tech card that sucks (Mojomaster) and emote them

and lol being Rexxar and getting stealth Mukla

Last edited by prizminferno; 01-15-2019 at 07:41 PM.
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01-16-2019 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
midrange is an aggro deck with a 6 drop
found the guy whose curve starts at 4 mana
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01-16-2019 , 12:39 PM
I haven't encountered the Mechathun priest too much lately. It's a flawed OTK deck in the sense that if Hemet is at the bottom of their deck it's a loss. Topsy turvy or Zereks OTK are more difficult to pilot but more consistent. That being said I do think tempo mage is a great deck right now. It's a deck that you have to play properly but can beat everything.
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01-16-2019 , 01:09 PM
I’ve played about 30 games with it and trust me it’s not a loss unless you’re up against another OTK deck. There’s a **** load of cycle in the deck.

A few matchups I’ve actually delayed playing Hemet so I could finish quest and heal.
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01-16-2019 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
found the guy whose curve starts at 4 mana
lol. I can play all archetypes to perfection but yes, I prefer control in general.
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01-16-2019 , 04:15 PM
This deck is the most fun I've had in HS a while - copied from Kiblers stream. You can do so much wacky **** with unstable evolution and kragwa, plus all the battlecries and shudder. Mojomaster is great vs mechathun and pally OTK decks.

### EvolveWock
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
#
# 2x (1) Fire Fly
# 2x (1) Unstable Evolution
# 2x (2) Earthen Might
# 2x (2) Firetree Witchdoctor
# 2x (2) Menacing Nimbus
# 1x (3) Gluttonous Ooze
# 2x (3) Nightmare Amalgam
# 2x (3) Tar Creeper
# 2x (4) Hex
# 1x (4) Scaleworm
# 1x (4) Tol'vir Stoneshaper
# 2x (5) Dragonmaw Scorcher
# 1x (5) Zilliax
# 1x (6) Krag'wa, the Frog
# 1x (6) Mojomaster Zihi
# 2x (7) Crowd Roaster
# 1x (8) Hagatha the Witch
# 2x (8) Primordial Drake
# 1x (9) Shudderwock
#
AAECAaoICJnCAtPFAqfuAonxAu/3AqCAA8GJA8CPAwv+BevCAsrDAsnHAt/pArDwAoqAA96CA+iJA+yJA+iUAwA=
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
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01-16-2019 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
I’ve played about 30 games with it and trust me it’s not a loss unless you’re up against another OTK deck. There’s a **** load of cycle in the deck.

A few matchups I’ve actually delayed playing Hemet so I could finish quest and heal.
Fair enough, I haven't played it myself since I can't bring myself to craft priest quest with only a couple months left of it so I don't know the deck super well.
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01-16-2019 , 05:34 PM
What's with this new peanut shaman thing going around? It's almost like some sort of Reno Shaman shudderwock thing without Reno.
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01-16-2019 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by g-bebe
Fair enough, I haven't played it myself since I can't bring myself to craft priest quest with only a couple months left of it so I don't know the deck super well.


I had all the cards already so was like fk it why not
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01-16-2019 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by g-bebe
What's with this new peanut shaman thing going around? It's almost like some sort of Reno Shaman shudderwock thing without Reno.
viper won hct winter eu with it
https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...nter-playoffs/
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01-17-2019 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
Here are the deck types:

Aggro
Midrange
Control
OTK/Combo
Tempo

An aggressive deck can be completely face oriented (there hasn't been a strictly face deck in the meta for quite some time, but this was way back with face hunter, super aggro shaman, and of course pirate warrior) or just something that floods the board/creates an early advantage. (Odd paladin fits the bill - it succeeds because it has some power surges in the midgame, but generally it just throws a lot of **** out there early and pops the face a fair amount)

A midrange deck adapts based on the matchup. It has capability to play fast - ie. when against a deck that will win the end game or a combo-oriented deck where you need early aggression, but also can sit back and play the control style vs a faster deck where you'll outvalue them. In the current meta, something like Even Paladin is pretty obviously midrange, as it can flood the board/push damage in certain matchups, but also has comeback mechanisms (board wipes/heals/taunts) if it takes a more defensive approach.

Control decks are slow by nature. The classic control warrior did this the best - it had removal for days, had tons of ways of coming back vs both fast and somewhat fast decks, and wins based on attrition or fatigue. The warrior deck posted here with Zola and Cubes and **** (I've been loving it) is a callback to control decks, but if you look at VS power rankings, the only real control deck that makes an appearance is the slow mage deck. (Big spell)

OTK and combo decks are basically littered across the VS spectrum. All the priest decks, exodia paladin, cube variants (specifically hunter but also warlock of course), anything Mecha C'thun... I find them really frustrating to play against because the vast majority of them don't engage the opponent. They play their game and the player has fun playing it; you are kinda the spectator. Same applied with miracle rogue and freeze mage, and the HS team killed those off. I think that's healthy. They are fun to play but horrible to play against.

This is my own editorial opinion, but aggro decks are silly because they limit interaction by few exchanges / decisions (skill point is lower), and serve as a meta check, but OTK decks are silly because they turn what is essentially a 2 player game into a 1 player game. You ask yourself, how good is my opponent? How well do they play their deck? And finally, can I do anything about their combo/OTK? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Finally, tempo decks respond to their opponent and cede value advantages. They differ from pure aggro decks because you generally aren't just looking to pump face damage (although you of course should be), but also looking to stay ahead on the board. You sacrifice card advantage and the like for early pressure. Tempo mage was about "how do I vomit my hand on the board in the most efficient way possible"; Odd rogue is a tempo deck because of the inherent value of your weapon and cards like Vilespine, which stay on curve to prevent your opponents from sticking stuff on the board.

I don't mind tempo decks. I think they take more skill to play than pure aggressive decks, I also think they do well vs OTK and the like which stockpile their cards since they push in early. Hearthstone has seen many metas of which deck is king, and in my personal opinion, the game is best when it's a midrange meta.
agreed.

Also feels really bad when they play maybe 1 minion and win on turn 9
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01-19-2019 , 01:42 AM
LOL at the absurd amount of control decks (and some non control) that are running mechathun hate cards. Holy god. I've only seen ONE other mechathun priest in this little experiment. People react so badly to this stuff.
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01-19-2019 , 01:55 AM
Such as? I think most of the hate cards counter all OTK decks.
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01-19-2019 , 02:17 AM
mojomaster is a huge one. They can just wait to drop it the turn before combo and you basically lose on the spot. Like 0% chance almost. I did see it coming earlier and managed to tempo out my minions and end up with an unanswered 10/10 but he had to misplay really terribly to make it possible.

The other one is the warlock hate deck. Gnomeferatu and that "transform a minion in your hand into a demon" **** you over pretty good. Pretty much turn it into a 0% matchup.
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01-19-2019 , 01:46 PM
disruption warlock is a solid deck and fun to play
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01-19-2019 , 04:12 PM
What are the mecha hate cards?
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01-19-2019 , 04:20 PM
Mukla. Though I just build a beast for those situations instead of running him lol

Also, Fibo missing lethal and then misplaying next turn was pretty sad on HCT
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01-19-2019 , 09:52 PM
Fibo conceded his remaining games, pathetic attitude baby
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01-19-2019 , 10:04 PM
Wat? How is that pathetic? He said his mindset wasn't right to play the game and he was tilted before even that set.

Walking away isn't pathetic.

Andy Black did it with poker for a few years and helped him.

I don't see how ****ting on people trying to fix themselves is constructive.
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01-19-2019 , 11:27 PM
because his games against people matter? he is giving some people a literal free win, that's so bad.

also that's on him, he said he hasnt played HS in 2 months. well dont accept your invite.
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