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01-16-2010 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
The other one, though, well, that's just poker. I know in your viewpoint that it's rude and impolite, but in some circles check-raising is also seen as rude and impolite. This is merely a case of different expectations about the environment.

It's no more rude to deceive your opponent about the strength of your hand in poker, than it is rude to make the tie-breaking final goal in soccer. "Oh, man, we were about to tie, and you've gotten great shots all night... why be so disrespectful like that?"



Yeah, that stuff's a bit more borderline, I can give you that one. I don't engage in such things myself, and they're the tricks that only work once, anyway. They're in a gray area..
That's not necessarily so. You may SAY it's so, but that is based on your game and your hosting/poker stance.
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01-16-2010 , 12:44 AM
just know the rules dont argue Oo, at least no gun fire
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01-16-2010 , 12:55 AM
Okay, not everything. A fair amount. It was really more about tone.

And my game is the best model for a game on the planet, c'mon now.
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01-16-2010 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
note to schmend.... sarcasm meter broken, please schedule repairs...

and take gendenken and a few others with you, to fix their meters

perhaps I miss your point, but I'm looking at this pair of sentences:

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...poker isnt about integrity of the game but of using any and all psychological means to win other peoples money. In a casino i think it's dirty, but in a friendly homegame where everybody knows each other, its just disgusting...
and reading the 1st as completely sarcastic, and the 2nd as earnest. OP is saying newguy acts as if anything goes, but OP finds this disgusting in a home game. I (think I) understand the underlying sentiment and don't disagree with that. Do you read us differently?

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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
"Character flaw"?? Please tell me you are leveling us...
I think I know what he's saying. Whole room full of people is calling you a dick and telling you the "classy" thing is to do X, but you believe X is unfair. You're willing to stand up for what you think is right, disregarding popular opinion and personal safety. That's character. sorta.


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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
What kind of home games did you start out with/grow up on, before you became a home game pro?

Because this is VERY common at the neighborhood games that I remember, back before we TVilized all home games into B&M clones....
did I go too far with the grumpy old man thing? sorry to encroach on your territory I didn't start playing poker until well after this newfangled TV thing. But I also work pretty hard to civilize the game around me. I'm quick to elucidate the why's of procedures and practices, and stand up for the right way of doing things along with that justification for the ruling. Just saying "this is the rule" doesn't actually stop the conflict, usually. You have to explain why to convince the loser, or at least everyone else at the table.

Maybe I'm just lucky, and fell into a crowd that says "nice hand" a lot, and respects each other even when frustrated by the cards.

But no, I've never raked in a pot that my opponent didn't think I deserved, fair and square.
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01-16-2010 , 03:40 AM
did i just see a sextuplet post? awesome
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01-16-2010 , 12:05 PM
wow... I really shouldn't respond, but something is driving me to do it anyway (too much whiskey last night?) I told someone I had them beat, and when they called I said "7 high". In my book, that completely fine, in others, it is not. I also did not look at anyone's mucked hand. I have clumsy hands and I turned over one of their cards, admitted I saw it, apologized and that was it. It wasn't a particularly interesting hand-- not a big pot, and I wasn't even in the hand.
To Larry and the bunch, I will agree with your general sentiments that a lot of my comments come of as self-righteous, self-effacing stuff. I can only attribute this in part to my own hubris, and also my lack of practice with this kind of activity. My first goal in writing at all was to try and clear the smoke between me and this kid, but I guess I got ulterior motives along the way, which is unfortunate.
I am not a mean guy or a bad guy. I have played in the same home game for two years off and on, and i am well liked and cause minimal problems. Danfresh, you honestly saw me on an off night, I can see how you've formed your opinion of me, but you've formed it too soon and too harshly. I'm going to go to this game and I"m sure you're going too. If you would just like to avoid each other, that's fine by me. You might find out I'm not as poisonous as you think. As far as my motives for playing poker- yes, I like to win. I am a very competitive person to the point where it is a flaw. I love to win. But I also like people, alot. I love making new friends and I like listening to people's stories, telling stories myself, and having a good time. That isn't some "shark talk" or whatever you think it is, that's the truth. I probably won't be able to convince you of that, but maybe you will agree with me over time, maybe you won't. I don't think its fair for you to tell me I'm not there to make friends, or I'm only there to make money. That is not something that you can determine, you can guess, but that's all. I shouldn't have posted anything about you, sorry about that. I"m sorry all of this happened, sorry for the part of it that I could have controlled or changed, and sorry for the stuff that I couldn't change. I'm going to take it in as a learning experience.
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01-16-2010 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gedanken
perhaps I miss your point,
Yep, you missed- wrong quote:


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"home poker games are only about winning as much money possible by any means necessary."
there's a gap between what you've told us and "any means necessary"
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01-16-2010 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hillbillyshakespea
I shouldn't have posted anything about you, sorry about that. I"m sorry all of this happened, sorry for the part of it that I could have controlled or changed, and sorry for the stuff that I couldn't change. I'm going to take it in as a learning experience.
Just don't take the "experience" to mean "I'm never posting again"
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01-16-2010 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
Yep, you missed- wrong quote:
Larry, I had the same reaction. We understand the sarcasm of the comment. I think gedanken was saying the gap was between the examples given, and the judgment of "any means necessary".

Or am I missing it, too?
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01-16-2010 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lottery Larry
note to schmend.... sarcasm meter broken, please schedule repairs...

and take gendenken and a few others with you, to fix their meters
No, I got the sarcasm in his statement, but my reply was serious.

Though the true cutthroat win-at-any-cost home game is rare (since they don't tend to last very long), my point was that there is a spectrum of attitudes about "fair play" in home games. For some, it's "Sorry I stacked you, Bob, here's $20 to buy back in so you don't have to go home early." For others, it's about taking your buddy's last dime and then telling him to bring more money next week.
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01-16-2010 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
Larry, I had the same reaction. We understand the sarcasm of the comment. I think gedanken was saying the gap was between the examples given, and the judgment of "any means necessary".

Or am I missing it, too?
And this too. Hillbilly's behavior might not be considered acceptable in this particular home game (though that's still a little debatable to me), but it's a far cry from "any means necessary".
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01-16-2010 , 03:08 PM
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Last edited by Lottery Larry; Yesterday at 08:42 PM. Reason: don't repeat the error you chided HIM for...
sorry about that -- didn't see it in the quote at the time. thanks for fixing it.


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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck
Hillbilly's behavior might not be considered acceptable in this particular home game (though that's still a little debatable to me), but it's a far cry from "any means necessary".
great. If our sarcasm meters are miscalibrated, at least they're all in synch
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01-16-2010 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck
No, I got the sarcasm in his statement, but my reply was serious.
well, no kidding :P


but, given the reads of a number of you, maybe my SM needs some fine-tuning...
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01-17-2010 , 12:56 AM
Wait a second, was the "Host" actually letting the regulars control the outcome of this situation? That's the first problem, and seems to be the only problem. The host should always explain the rules to a New player at HIS game.

The pair of Jacks wins this pot, and the guy who won shouldn't even bother coming back. Their intimidating him over a pot worth less than $100? What would they do if stacks were on the line here, beat the new guy up and split his money?

OP, I don't mean to sound like a **** or anything, but you need to prevent these things from happening. Try something simple like writing a small list of rules, including what just happened. I suppose the players can't really complain to much since they're not paying any rake, but they can be driven away which will ruin your poker night.

Last edited by Lottery Larry; 01-17-2010 at 10:22 AM. Reason: punctuation, and not avoiding the filters, ftw
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01-17-2010 , 02:37 AM
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Newer guy tanks, stands up, then exposes both cards to show j10
this all would have been avoided if "new guy" hadnt exposed his hand in the very first place. I know, I know, it probably doesnt happen very often, and usually no problems occur. But its like come on, either call or fold, nothing more. Hands shouldnt be shown until "showdown" or a called all-in in my opinion. It would save many headaches, this being one of them
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