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04-24-2011 , 11:34 AM
HP Meat-up at Pali's?
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04-24-2011 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck
HP Meat-up at Pali's?
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04-25-2011 , 05:52 PM
Meeting with the CNC woodcutter is still delayed a day. I might have my wood cut by this weekend.

Mail exchanges with the felt-customizer are going slowly. It clearly is going to be the longest item, and it's already critical path.

My long USB cable showed up from Monoprice.com

The compressor is running nicely and it staples the living crap out of things. Way, way worth it over the old electric staple gun. Also, I can spend money on other air tools now. My wife loves me.

Presumably I can build almost all of the table without the felt... ...or with a temporary felt with magic marker on it during tuning/testing.

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Meat-up?!? Like a BBQ? Assorted sausages indeed!

...that said, when the table works, I'll gladly put my degenerate gambling to good use and get anyone who happens to cross through Phoenix a room for free at the 30-minutes-away Harrah's outside of town, or possibly the 10-minute-away casino, depending on how they feel about me that month.
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04-25-2011 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Palimax
The compressor is running nicely and it staples the living crap out of things.
Drool. I have no need for a compressor, but suddenly I really really want to also staple the living crap out of things.

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Meat-up?!? Like a BBQ? Assorted sausages indeed!
Hah! Yes, "meat-up" as in "net-friends getting together in meat-space." I wasn't trying to imply any pre- or post-game carnivorous/homoerotic activity.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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...that said, when the table works, I'll gladly put my degenerate gambling to good use and get anyone who happens to cross through Phoenix a room for free at the 30-minutes-away Harrah's outside of town, or possibly the 10-minute-away casino, depending on how they feel about me that month.
Score! Now I just need an excuse that the Mrs. will buy. Layover on the next trip to LV, perhaps?

Last edited by Schmendr1ck; 04-26-2011 at 12:09 AM. Reason: hanging quote text
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04-26-2011 , 02:56 PM
Foam and vinyl showed up, and the railing vinyl has been released from its vacuum packing to breathe.



$312 shipped for the custom felt, to mostly match the mockup The Boss submitted earlier in this thread.

Meeting the custom CNC guy in the next hour or so for $200 worth of wood, which I hope he'll have cut by this weekend.

Australian Post tracking says they tried to deliver my RFID equipment on Saturday when I was in Vegas. Grrr.....
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04-26-2011 , 04:45 PM
Wood will be returned cut on Monday.
After that, I'm free to do all of the assembly except the center with the custom felt.
....assuming, of course, that the electronics make it to me.
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04-27-2011 , 04:39 AM
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That's friggin' great!!
^^This^^

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I also want to subscribe to your newsletter!
And ^^THIS^^

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I'd also like to play on this one when it's finished!
And of course ^^THIS!!!!!OMGWTFBBQ!!1^^

First order of business is now to get a job with some American conglomerate with a HQ in Phoenix and make sure bunisess trips to the company HQ are a prerequisite for the job

And I was all excited about buying an iPad....
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04-27-2011 , 01:56 PM
I get that you could use the RFID to track stats on players and theoretically prevent cheating, but couldn't this be used to cheat as well as it could be used to prevent cheating?
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Why is this a good idea I don't get it.
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04-27-2011 , 03:27 PM
I suppose in theory it could be used to cheat, but since cards have to go on top of the RFID antennae to be read, your players really need to know about the system and cooperate for it to work properly.

Plus, the wires & PC attached to the table might also be a giveaway.
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04-27-2011 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Imagy
Why is this a good idea I don't get it.
Because it's fun.

You like fun don't you?
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04-27-2011 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Imagy
I get that you could use the RFID to track stats on players and theoretically prevent cheating, but couldn't this be used to cheat as well as it could be used to prevent cheating?
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Why is this a good idea I don't get it.
It's not as though the RFID system is a secret. There's this computer hanging off the table, and little spots that the cards have to go over...

But, there's some nice new features in the software update he released last night that I'm particularly interested in:

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1.0.2
  • New
    • Added the ability to add new players from Action Tracker.
    • Added multi table support to Action Tracker. A unique table name can be assigned to each table in the Server, which can then be selected from a list of active tables when Action Tracker is started.
    • Tables can be password protected. Any user starting Action Tracker will be required to enter the correct password before access is granted.
  • Fixed
    • Missing player and board images are now handled more gracefully in the Graphic Editor.
    • After a hand was won without a showdown, spurious board cards could be shown if the dealer shuffled on top of the board card area.
    • In action tracker mode, a pre-flop fold heads up would not end the hand correctly.
1.0.1
  • New
    • Added a low resolution option (428 x 240) for lower performance PCs and limited bandwidth live streaming.
    • New option "Ignore Tags": Enabling this checkbox instructs the server to ignore any player ID tags placed on the table. Instead, all player names are set to "Seat 1", "Seat 2" and so on. This is useful for situations such as public cardrooms where players come and go frequently, and player names are relatively unimportant to the audience.
    • Added the ability to time-delay live streaming. To enable this feature, simply enter the number of minutes to delay the stream by in the new box to the right of the stream checkbox. A value of zero disables this feature.
    • Added the capability to Push a live stream to a Windows Media Publishing Point (previously only Pull was supported).
1.0.0
  • Initial public release.
I like to tinker.
I like to build things.
I like to take stuff apart.
I do enterprise end-user computing device management for a living.
I love poker.

This project had "me" written all over it.

I can't wait to get everything assembled in the next week or two and then broadcast a game from my poker club live to the web. We're all excited about it.
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04-27-2011 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Imagy
I get that you could use the RFID to track stats on players and theoretically prevent cheating, but couldn't this be used to cheat as well as it could be used to prevent cheating?
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Why is this a good idea I don't get it.
Geeks gotta geek.
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04-27-2011 , 04:50 PM
Current estimated completion date, 5/11 - primarily as a result of the custom cloth, which has been paid for and had concept art turned over, but the final design hasn't been submitted for me to review, let alone actual print and ship times.

I'll likely do the rest of the table assembly the week of 5/2 when I get my wood back from the cutter, provided my RDIF parts attempt re-delivery soon. [Attempted Saturday, no updates on their website yet, no notice on door, etc.]
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04-27-2011 , 05:07 PM
Can the table tell you when its your turn to act?
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04-27-2011 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Imagy
Can the table tell you when its your turn to act?
A lot of this is covered in their manuals.
http://videopokertable.net/Download.aspx

Without any human intervention, the game only knows when hands start (cards appear in readers) and when hands end (all hands are mucked and cards are removed from the board). It knows when players fold (their cards are moved past the mucked sensor) so that it can tell who's left and calculate percentages on the screen.

Without human intervention either during the hand by a producer with a tablet, or in post-production after everything's been recorded - it does not know bet amounts or bet/raise/re-raise action. It only sees folds. It doesn't know who checks or where the action is without that producer with a tablet or without someone sitting in front of a computer editing later.

It does, however, have the advantage of being semi-autonomous, in that in combination with the cameras and sound, you can see "into the minds" of players as they bet on "live" TV (or web-cast).
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04-28-2011 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by The Palimax
Current estimated completion date, 5/11 - primarily as a result of the custom cloth, which has been paid for and had concept art turned over, but the final design hasn't been submitted for me to review, let alone actual print and ship times.

I'll likely do the rest of the table assembly the week of 5/2 when I get my wood back from the cutter, provided my RDIF parts attempt re-delivery soon. [Attempted Saturday, no updates on their website yet, no notice on door, etc.]
Did you end up staying with Big Slik for your cloth? Also very jealous you're getting your lumber CNC machined for a couple hundy.. Usually lumber alone is close to that for me, let alone machining. I'm watching with interest..
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04-28-2011 , 05:35 PM
...looking at the quote from my CNC guy, its $86 in wood, $100 in cutting, $17 in tax, and I got a whopping $3 off for paying with cash. It's 1x1/2" MDF, 1x3/4" MDF, 1x1/2" Pine.

I do probably need to send him a reminder that it's supposed to be 5/16th and 1/2 to match the 8mm/12mm specified on the plan.

Yes, I'm using Big Slik. I wish I had an update from them.
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05-01-2011 , 10:38 PM
Only some minor updates.

Got the CNC cutting finally sorted out today, and I should have my wood delivered to my office tomorrow, where I'll throw it in my (what Wikipedia calls a) compact SUV with the seats folded down. We had a lot of trouble, since my CNC cutter had an older version of Autocad, and there was plenty of confusion over which DWG and DXF files were supported and what program the videopokertable.net guy(s) made the sample plans in. I suppose the lesson learned for anyone reading this is make sure that your CNC cutter supports the files that Andrew provides, and that Andrew probably needs to provide a quick note about the versions he uses in the build PDF.

The electronics are still MIA. The Australian post tracking site shows it as EMS and attempted delivery last Saturday (8 days ago) and nothing since. Visiting the EMS tracking websites directly shows no status. I'm going to get officially concerned soon, especially since I could build everything except the custom felt (and webcams) now if I had the electronics and the wood tomorrow. [There's a Fry's Electronics that's a 2-minute detour from my drive to work, so the cameras aren't critical path.] I suppose I also have some stain, varnish and screws to pick up.

Speaking of that custom felt, the designer at Big Slik had my design specs (my chip art, Andrew's template, the boss' mock-up) sent to them on Tuesday after I paid for the felt. I mailed on Friday asking for an update, but it was after EST business hours, so I'm hoping to at least get a time-line tomorrow.

I need to add a line to the project to get a few little things missing from my poker bag. I'd like some overs lamers and a few other things I couldn't pick up on my trip through Vegas last week because GGS and Spinatti's were both closed for Easter Sunday.
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05-02-2011 , 01:47 AM
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I'd like some overs lamers and a few other things I couldn't pick up
Do you actually have a need for those or is more of a fill out the collection type of item?

I remember working in a place once where every morning one player kept badgering the dealers to ask every new player if they wanted to play overs. This meant going through the "huh? what? what's that mean?" speech about 20 times in 2 hours. The clientele there would rather play unders if they could.
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05-02-2011 , 04:07 AM
Ok, first of all, that's exactly why I need some overs lammers...

Seriously though, my game includes players with salaries ranging from 35k/yr to 2M/yr. I'm not the guy making 2M/yr, but I like gambling, and there's a few of us who'd happily make every pot a kill pot.

...and, I suppose, I'd like to fill out my collection.
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05-02-2011 , 05:26 AM
Well you should make some unders buttons too and bust those out at the appropriate time for a big laugh.


Okay so maybe no one would laugh. Well I would laugh. So get some unders buttons so I can laugh.
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05-02-2011 , 01:02 PM
(Slightly off topic)

By 'play over' lammers do you mean playing in a occupied seat while someone is away, or temporarily playing over the table limit in HU situation?

Haven't seen them before.
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05-02-2011 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Douglas
(Slightly off topic)

By 'play over' lammers do you mean playing in a occupied seat while someone is away, or temporarily playing over the table limit in HU situation?

Haven't seen them before.
"Overs" indicates that players agree to play at (generally) double the limits - and you use them in limit games.

A handful of 20-40 limit players can't get a game going, and neither can a couple 10-20 players, so they sit down together at 10-20 and the 20-40 players ask the dealer for Overs buttons.

The game is 10-20.

If, however, on any street, it's ONLY players with Overs buttons (e.g. the 20-40 players), they play as though it was 20-40.
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05-02-2011 , 03:46 PM
The electronics have been found. Detailed photos when I get home. Especially the Cartamundi deck compared against other CM decks -- as long as they're at home and not in the "league" stuff.



My edit window is still open, so adding:

Andrew gave me a head's up that the USPS was fulfilling the EMS shipping final leg, and on a hunch, I found the package my my local post office. Shoved inside the box was a partially filled out "we missed you slip" for my address. My neighborhood postal carrier gets a KITN. I could have had this stuff on Tuesday.

So, when I get the wood TOMORROW, I can start actually building things.

....no word yet from Big Slik. Tomorrow's email will be "strongly worded"

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05-02-2011 , 06:37 PM
It's a small, small world...

I just got an email from my original chip-design artist.

He's the contract artist for Big Slik, and he's working on my felt
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