Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Home Poker Discussions of home poker games

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-15-2011, 07:16 PM   #1
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Cool RFID Table - It Begins!



Ok. I pulled the trigger. I've ordered:
  • RFID Reader: QTY:1
  • RFID Antenna: QTY:16 (10 player, 3 board, 2 muck, one spare)
  • RFID Cards, Deck of: QTY:2
  • RFID Player ID Cards, 10-pack: QTY:2
I'll form a much better project plan and post it shortly, but here's where we are now:
  • I've asked Andrew at VideoPokerTable.net to provide a router path that includes room for a ShuffleTek shuffler.
  • I've identified a felt printer that has the size felt I need, the material I like, and is comparably priced.
  • I've identified a local CNC wood cutter who'll do the table for $75.
  • I'll order foam and vinyl from YAT in the next day or so.
  • I have both a spare/used desktop PC with considerable horsepower to run the main software and an older generation tablet PC with pen-touch input to act as the "producer's" PC, for tracking bets.
  • I'll order the folding legs online, and purchase screws, stains and the remaining assembly parts (glue, etc.) locally at Lowes.
  • I'll be taking a couple million photos, all on a nice DSLR, posting cropped versions here, linked to high-res ones posted on Omaha8.org

Andrew offered some of those with early interest a discount on the equipment, but this was still a significant purchase. "The Boss" agreed to let me make it, so the Paypal transaction is processed and as soon as it clears in Australian Dollars from my "play things" credit card, we're good to go.
The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2011, 08:15 PM   #2
Jofeljoh!
journeyman
 
Jofeljoh!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 231
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Sweet! I'll be following this thread for sure!
Jofeljoh! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2011, 11:15 PM   #3
Schmendr1ck
(╯□)╯︵ 🐟
 
Schmendr1ck's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 6,555
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

I am interested in your products and/or services, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Schmendr1ck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2011, 03:03 AM   #4
Quadstriker
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Quadstriker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 15,109
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Holy crap what have you gotten yourself into this time???

This is gonna be interesting.

Edit: Ok watched the video. When you get it done count me in to come deal for you* to see this thing in action.


*Free of charge of course with no compensation or other legally compromising reimbursement or profiting from gambling do you hear me ADOG?

Last edited by Quadstriker; 04-16-2011 at 03:14 AM.
Quadstriker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2011, 03:19 AM   #5
Jofeljoh!
journeyman
 
Jofeljoh!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 231
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Do I understand correctly that only the betting has to be manually counted and put in a computer?

Aren;t there RFID chips yet? (this what I've been wondering for a long time on a side note: why don't casinos implement RFID chips... there are a lot advantages?? What am I missing...)
Jofeljoh! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2011, 03:38 AM   #6
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadstriker View Post
Holy crap what have you gotten yourself into this time???

This is gonna be interesting.

Edit: Ok watched the video. When you get it done count me in to come deal for you* to see this thing in action.


*Free of charge of course with no compensation or other legally compromising reimbursement or profiting from gambling do you hear me ADOG?
Nice to see you back online.

And, HA!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofeljoh! View Post
Do I understand correctly that only the betting has to be manually counted and put in a computer?

Aren;t there RFID chips yet? (this what I've been wondering for a long time on a side note: why don't casinos implement RFID chips... there are a lot advantages?? What am I missing...)
Yes, there are RFID chips, and they're pretty much used in situations where you set one or two flag-size chips on a spot in BlackJack, and the sensor apparatus isn't such currently that you can put 43 assorted chips in the middle of the pot and have it just count them all.

To your first question, as I understand it, and as I've had it explained, and per the manual (I mean, I don't have one delivered yet - it's shipping from Australia once my card goes through) -- yes -- you either need:
  • A "producer." A guy has a tablet PC and he keys in bets and other actions that the mere passing of cards over the RFID spots can't catch.
  • Time in post-production. All the info is captured, as is multiple cameras. You just review the hands afterward. Since it's supposed to take a minute or so per hand, it likes takes a long in post-production as it does to PLAY the game.
I'm quite computer savvy, so I'm not worried about either having a producer -- or being the producer -- or doing it in post-production.

...and, of course, the CARDS and sound and pictures are recorded regardless, so it's pretty obvious if someone near a microphone repeats the bet amounts.
The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2011, 03:47 AM   #7
Jofeljoh!
journeyman
 
Jofeljoh!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 231
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Clear! Good luck with your project, very interesting!
Jofeljoh! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2011, 04:21 AM   #8
Quadstriker
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Quadstriker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 15,109
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Palimax View Post
I'm quite computer savvy, so I'm not worried about either having a producer -- or being the producer -- or doing it in post-production.
Okay I want to deal and do post production commentary. I'm not nearly as annoying as Norman Chad and am way funnier.
Quadstriker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2011, 01:15 PM   #9
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

My package has shipped - or at least it has a tracking number assigned to it.

The clock is running.
The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2011, 05:14 PM   #10
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Current finish estimated sometime after 5/4, based primarily on the custom felt - as it needs chosen, fixed in illustrator, sent for printing, then shipped. I imagine there will be some slippage in that schedule, however, as I'm sure I'll end up missing SOME sort of widget.

Legs and USB cables ordered, vinyl/foam order is on hold pending decisions on the felt. Order has bent sent to the CNC shop for pricing

I'm considering taking a trip to Harbor Freight for some cheap entry level air-tools to make the stapling easier -- and because I'd like a compressor and some air tools

Estimated cost is currently $2500.05 - with the following notes:
  • Does not reflect the discount given by Andrew over at videopokertable.net.
    • I've left this out to reflect what one would pay to reproduce this project.
  • Does not reflect the cost of computer hardware. I have extra machines.
  • Does not yet include cameras, as they haven't been chosen.
  • This will be updated after the estimated cost of some items is replaced by the actual cost.
The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2011, 09:42 PM   #11
Schmendr1ck
(╯□)╯︵ 🐟
 
Schmendr1ck's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 6,555
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Soooooo tempting to spend part of my tax refund following in your footsteps, but instead I'll just watch from afar.
Schmendr1ck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2011, 07:01 AM   #12
DougO
journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 384
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

That is sweet with extra sweet sauce on the side. Can I be your new bestest buddy?
DougO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2011, 04:59 PM   #13
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

The Boss has requested burgundy speed felt with Merlot vinyl in roughly the configuration below.
  • Gold player circles and board.
  • The "S&Crown" element from my chips (not with a red background, just in matching gold).
  • The "Crown&Fleur" surrounding the box (no white element).
Simple, includes my chip elements, but doesn't plaster my logo everywhere. I'm undecided if the bottom crown should be turned 180 degrees.

The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2011, 06:21 PM   #14
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Foam x2 and Vinyl ordered from YAT with the 15% Scott Keen forums code.

Old tablet memory upgraded to 1GB to support Windows 7 and OS installed. Will patch and get on wireless when I get home.

Current completion date is no sooner than 5/5
The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2011, 09:31 PM   #15
Lottery Larry
Home Poker Pimp
 
Lottery Larry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: HP in da HOOWWSSS! (NW of Philly)
Posts: 19,603
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schmendr1ck View Post
and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Are you KIDDING me, you fool?!?! Do you not know how much said subscription will be, given what he's paying off above???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadstriker View Post
I'm not nearly as annoying as Norman Chad and am way sexier.
fyp
Lottery Larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2011, 09:35 PM   #16
Lottery Larry
Home Poker Pimp
 
Lottery Larry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: HP in da HOOWWSSS! (NW of Philly)
Posts: 19,603
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadstriker View Post
Edit: Ok watched the video.
Wait, what video? Where? Omaha8.org goes to a "coming soon" page... that eventually redirects to wikipedia.

And Palimax- did I miss a post/thread, explaining why you're building this table for your home game?
Lottery Larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2011, 09:49 PM   #17
shredhead84
grinder
 
shredhead84's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: bay area CA
Posts: 587
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

who sorts out the pot/split pot issues and ships it?
shredhead84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2011, 12:31 AM   #18
moki
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
moki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 8,052
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

I'm very much looking forward to seeing how this turns out. I've pondered doing it as well... keep us posted!
moki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2011, 01:17 AM   #19
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lottery Larry View Post
Wait, what video? Where? Omaha8.org goes to a "coming soon" page... that eventually redirects to wikipedia.

And Palimax- did I miss a post/thread, explaining why you're building this table for your home game?
Omaha8.org is just one of my vanity domains with nothing hosted there.

There's video on his site. Did I give a bad link?

Here's a link to the demo/explanation video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1-p4JNrgQw

Why build it? Dunno. Why climb mountains? Why blow 2k on a toy? I guess because I wanted to. I look forward to producing some videos for my circle of friends, having our "big" games on it and making videos for people after-the-fact. It just seemed fun... ...and I'm a colossal geek, so the project in general seemed fun.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shredhead84 View Post
who sorts out the pot/split pot issues and ships it?
Who does it at your game?

This table works two ways.
  1. As a completely normal table with felt and padding and stuff. Ship pots how you'd ship pots.
  2. Exactly like above, except a computer is semi-automatically updating on-screen graphics as if you were playing on PAD or... ...whatever your favorite TV poker show is. And I can stream that video to the net though something like Justin.TV, Livecast, or whatever when we have a game (think "Live at the Bike"). Or I can produce it afterward with commentary and full details.
The only thing this does is tracks the cards on the board and in hands, and calculate percentages. A producer (live or in post-production) has to input action like bets and raises. Folds get captured by the muck sensors.

Quote:
Originally Posted by moki View Post
I'm very much looking forward to seeing how this turns out. I've pondered doing it as well... keep us posted!
Thanks, I will.

BigSlickPoker.com had a great price on custom felts through ScottKeen. I'm negotiating my final product. I'll update that later.

Last edited by The Palimax; 04-20-2011 at 01:25 AM.
The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2011, 04:55 AM   #20
Quadstriker
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Quadstriker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 15,109
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Palimax View Post
Folds get captured by the muck sensors.
I want this for floor decisions with sirens and flashing lights.

BZZZZZZTTTTT

Sorry! Muck sensor! Your hand's dead pal.
Quadstriker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2011, 01:49 PM   #21
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

The quote is back on my wood with CNC cutting.

$203.11, which should end up being two Franklins in hand.

That includes $88 in lumber (three sheets), so my CNC cutting is costing me $112 (or $115.11). Price includes tax on the lumber.
The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2011, 03:59 PM   #22
Zetack
Pooh-Bah
 
Zetack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 3,859
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

You Sir are certifiably insane... Congratulations!

I look forward to seeing some of your psych reports...er, videos...
Zetack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2011, 12:15 AM   #23
The Palimax
Livin' the dream as a Carpal \'Tunnel
 
The Palimax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 8,638
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

No major updates today. A few things went from "ordered" to "shipping" and I picked up the compressor and new staple gun.

I did my last railing with an electric staple gun. Doing so this time with a air compressor driven gun will be much faster -- and much more fun

Time to update the Gantt chart.

I'll be in Vegas for the next few days.
The Palimax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2011, 03:24 AM   #24
Schmendr1ck
(╯□)╯︵ 🐟
 
Schmendr1ck's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 6,555
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Palimax View Post
Time to update the Gantt chart.
Don't forget to relevel your resources afterward.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Palimax View Post
I'll be in Vegas for the next few days.
Good luck! Come back with some cash to pay for this table and a decent TR.
Schmendr1ck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2011, 09:52 AM   #25
Al_Capone_Junior
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Al_Capone_Junior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: utility muffin research kitchen
Posts: 8,977
Re: RFID Table - It Begins!

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Palimax View Post

Extremely Stupendous Idea!
That's friggin' great!! I also want to subscribe to your newsletter! I'd also like to play on this one when it's finished!
Al_Capone_Junior is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2008-2017, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online