I play a bit of Florida 50BB 1/2NL, and the preflop raises tend to vary anywhere from 3.5x to 7.5x. A 3x raise on the button will simply get calls from the 5 guys who limped before you.

These guys don't think about future betting, SPR, etc. They think "I have an ace, and I'm going to see a flop no matter how much it costs."

If you're betting 3x from the button after five limpers, that's not a raise, it's a sweet'ner, no matter what game you're playing.

Jellurr, you're playing in a game that's ridiculously profitable. I've just got two things to advise:

1) If you ever lose to a **** hand or a big suckout and feel stung, never ever ever try to coach the player who won, telling him he made a bad call. It makes people dislike you and decreases your bottom line.

2) If you're finding it hard to know where you're at on a 5-way flop, increase your preflop raise sizes until you find the optimal point where you only get 1-2 callers.

Eh, it was a lame attempt at a "these guys limp/call ATC" joke gone bad.

But no matter - things will be interesting for a lot of Florida players when the $100 buy-in limit is lifted effective July 1st. $$

If you must adopt a simple raising convention such as 3xBB, then at least adopt (3xBB+(1XBB-per-limper)) or something adaptive (yet still formulaic).

There's something to be said for always making the same raise - or always following the same formula -- in that AA raises and appears the same as 67. I won't debate if that's the best plan of attack (same size raises for all situations), but at least it's a plan of attack.

IMO this strategy is wrong because you're assuming that all these dudes calling PFRs with K5o are actually thinking about your range.

They're not, therefore our strategy is to make a hand and bet it. Being that this is our strategy, we want to get as much good money into the pot preflop as possible when we have a good hand.

I'm not suggesting that. I agree with you. As this game is described, thinking appears to be quite one-dimensional, including the OP

I'm saying that: If your pre-flop raise regiment consists of opening for 3xBB, and you'd prefer to stick with a formula rather than make more reactive informed decisions, adopting a formula that accounts for limpers (like (3xBB+(1XBB-per-limper)) does) is at least a step in the right direction.

Again, I'm only saying that IF you need a formula AND you're going to stick with a formula, at least modify your formula a bit

It was a direct response to the thought that once half the table limps: 3xBB is just a pot sweetener, not a "raise." Adopting (3xBB+(1XBB-per-limper)) no matter how sub-optimal it is at least makes your bet mean something.

^^

Oh yeah I see, I misread your original post.

My bad