utg raise calling (out of blinds forgot to mention) with 24o?

You're missing the point, again, in order to complain about people playing junk hands against you. THEY don't need to know anything about implied odds. YOU do. You are playing correctly when you are betting in a fashion that denies them the implied odds for their junk hands.

It seems, based on your responses, that the entire existence of this thread is for you to for some reason repeatedly tell us how bad your friends are at poker. You seem to be complaining that they're constantly playing poorly, even though you're not in the hands (or you are but you're winning the hands), and you fashion these posts as if you want them to play better. This seemingly doesn't make sense. Are these your good friends who you're trying to help educate about the game? Otherwise I don't understand where you're going with this thread.

I thought this was universally know as a level. If a poker player cant beat a smaller stake because the "bad" players don't respect his raises, he'll still be crushed at the higher stakes because the "better" players will beat him in other ways while "respecting" his raise.

Good thing I was pretending.

It's frustrating when you know enough to be aware of your opponent's mistakes, but not aware enough to know how to handle it. We've all been there. Look at this as a learning opportunity.

Just as the math side of the game needs development, so does the psychological aspect of the game. Work on not letting this bother you. Work on focusing on the journey rather than the results.

And whatever you do, NEVER criticize another person's play. If you find yourself uttering the phrase, "How could you call with that?" then the problem is you. Smile, say "nice hand," and mean it.

"BBV is DOWN the street!"

Mike 'The Mouth' Jr.

Limp reraise with AA/KK (hell, even QQ) from EP. It's the nuts in these games since even though your hand is so transparent they still pay you off.

Yes you're right and I hope that it doesn't look like I criticize their plays. If they ask me about it however, I'm always honest. I never said to them 'how could you call with that?'
I made some weird calls too that seemed to be hero calls just based on my reads like calling with AKhi, bottom pair and stuff.

This thread is just a question how I can finally get the table to respect my raises preflop and not that the button tries to "defend" with 35o. knowing that make my standard raise to like 6xBB doesn't work, because then everybody just wants to call knowing I have something good like aces and they would love to crack em.

And... WOOSH! There it goes.

You can lead a horse to water...

Why can't I find games like this?

Any penny stakes game will usually be like this. My home game is similar. Remember that unskilled players (A.K.A. The <*(()))>< ) usually look at bets in absolute terms and not in relative terms. Therefore when playing for penny stakes you are more likely to get multiple callers because it's "cheap" and even if you rebuy 2-3 times a night it's no biggie.

That's why I started LRR with AA/KK from EP. That way I get about half my stack in PF if I get any callers, no more then 1 or 2, and post flop is an e-z c-bet shove. If they wanna see a flop for half their stack to try and get me I say BE MY GUEST.

Remember, honesty doesn't need to mean full disclosure. You can honestly deflect questions, or honestly give vague responses. I know how tempting it is to want to explain your play. Hell, I still do it myself sometimes (and probably more than I realize). Fight your instinct on this one.

Why do you want this?

Any game is a battle of mistakes. If you make fewer mistakes than your opponents, you win. Why do you want to reduce the number (and severity) of mistakes of your opponents?

Yeah, see, you'd have to be real dumb to think these are the only options ever.

I want him to show KQ. KJ. KT. AJ. AQ. 46. 67. A4. Whatever. Any kind of crap that he's willing to play against AA, I will take. He will make far less two pair hands than draws and one pair hands.

that's not an answer..
Look they can play whatever they want against me, I'm not Phil Helmuth getting on tilt and starting a tirade that they can't even spell poker and " the idiot called me with [...]". When every one goes limping and I'm on the button I play one of those crappy hands too or even to defend my SB/BB, who doesnt.
But I'm just asking you guys how I can get people to respect my raises.
I'm not saying that they are crappy players, who suck at poker..not at all. They want to play with 52o, great for them. yes they can flop their miracle flop, every hand does once in a while. 27o can flop 277 and well people aren't gonna put you on 27 most of the time.

You can look at it this way too: We were playing a few hours after school today, with some new guy, seemed decent but was pretty bad, pretty tight too. I got AK EP and raise it up, 3 calls, "decent" guy folds. Flop comes K hi. I bet, everybody folds. Decent guy goes like: 'Omg everybody folds, I had KTo, I had you didn't I?' Everybody (except me) was like: "WHAT YOU FOLDED KTo?" He said "well yeah, he raises EP, and he got like 3 callers, my KTo never can be good enough here.." Other guys took their hands out of the muck: I see 94, 58 and T7.
You see, if like 94 and 58 would have folded preflop, KT might have been in the pot and I would have won more money, as he surely at least would have called the flop.

I almost feel like we're being trolled here.

Well, Sir, I can tell you I'm not respecting your replies to our suggestions. If you are not getting the reply you want, maybe you ought to write it yourself. You are getting some good advice here, and you continue to harp on the wrong question.

OK, follow these instructions for maximum respect:

1. Smear blue paint on your face
2. Shove your stack
3. Pull a live chicken out of a bag
4. Wring its neck completely off
5. Throw the bloody head on top of your chips
6. Hold the chicken over your head
7. Tilt your head back and drink some of the blood as it trickles out of the neck
8. Throw the chicken across the room
9. Glare around the table and give a savage war cry
10. Say "All in"

We're just asking you why this is something you want.

Here's what I say in these situations: "Lucky for me you folded!"

If my sister had a dick she'd be my brother.

Don't get caught up on what could have happened. What DID happen is you got many hands to put in money bad against you. Their ranges included hands like KT. So this time one of the folks who played didn't have that exact holding. It doesn't matter. You got your money in good, and caused others to make mistakes. That one player with KT that one time is beside the point. Overall, this is a winning play.

If you need more concrete results, think of it this way: More often than not, that fourth player doesn't have KT. And those times he does, more often than not, a King isn't going to flop. Don't focus on this one time he happened to have it and you happened to hit your shared card.

In the meantime, here's an easy rule of thumb you can use: if you're getting too many callers, raise more.

I'd always gone with: "If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle."

A player in my game prefers: "If my dog had whiskers, she'd be my cat."

...which is odd, since dogs have whiskers - but we still think it's funnier.

lol Imma try that asap.
Well I guess you guys made me look at it the other way. I was just focusing on the short rung as it's really profitable for me in the long run. Gonna figure out what I'm gonna do:
- raise more to get less callers
- raise the good ol' 3xBB, knowing everybody calls.
thinking about varying it, but don't know really how except on position, since I don't want them to know my hand just by looking how much I raised :P

now it seems I'm just lucky that I'm at a table where people are throwing money at me in the long run.

You have no way of knowing that this is the case, and the dead money put into the pot by these weird hands preflop compensates for anything you might have won from KT later on anyway.

Make it as much as possible preflop that will still get called. Find an amount that gets action from 1 or 2 players, if you don't feel comfortable with a huge multiway pot. If they call with junk hands, good, they won't have the implied odds to stack you.

The short answer: if you have AA, raise as much as you can to get the maximum money in the pot while having the fewest callers. The key is maximum money.

Slightly longer explanation: if 3X raise gets 5 callers, and a 5X raise gets three callers, you are better with 5X, as you have the same amount in the pot and only 3 callers. But if 3X gets you 8 callers and 5X gets you 1, the sweet spot might be somewhere in between. It's up to you to find that sweet spot.

Do not worry about respect. It is really beside the point, right?

This is standard because.... people keep repeating it?

I've yet to see a live cash game with 3xBB as a standard opening. I only rarely do it myself. I'm more interested in the percentage of effective stacks going in.

I've seen players in live games do it, though. I usually think "aha, [s]he's read a little about nlhe, maybe played some online, and doesn't understand why that size is 'standard'".

curiously, it seems most women I've played like these small by-the-book open raises no matter the stakes. small sample, ldo.

Of course, after having said that, I noticed that my bets last night were commonly in the 2.5x to 5x range.

This is due to stack size more than anything, I think. In deep NL, the threat of future betting is a powerful tool. You need to leave enough to make that threat viable across multiple streets, so smaller bets work for that. If you're shallow, then you want to build the preflop pot so that a shove on the flop makes sense mathematically, and bigger bets help with this.